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> Using a charitable reading of your comment, it seems you are actually talking about the effectiveness of NIST, not about its mission

I'm not talking about NIST in general, just about this report, which most certainly does not, as you claimed, "implicitly promote ideals of western democratic rule over communist values." Quite the contrary: it's a blatant and transparent continuation of the current administration's assault on those Western democratic values.

> It is clear NIST's mission is a blend of scientific rigor and promotion of western values

That was true in the past. You seem to be having difficulty accepting the new reality, even defending it. Which is sad to witness.

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>> It is clear NIST's mission is a blend of scientific rigor and promotion of western values

> That was true in the past. You seem to be having difficulty accepting the new reality, even defending it. Which is sad to witness.

First, something you know (or should know): people that disagree with you do not necessarily support your rivals / opponents / enemies. You are incorrect confusing (i) my pushback against your reasoning with (ii) defending Trump.

You've committed many reasoning errors. Sometimes people need very direct (i.e. blunt) feedback from a trusted person. I don't think getting through to you at all. Maybe someone else can and will?

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> Quite the contrary: it's a blatant and transparent continuation of the current administration's assault on those Western democratic values.

Generally speaking, I agree the Trump administration is assaulting Western democratic values.

Remember, this is conversation. You are convinced of one way of seeing the NIST report. I recognize your perspective; I see your intensity, but intensity alone does not translate into credibility. Repeating your claims ad nauseam doesn't help.

In my eyes, you have not made a case (much less a good one) for how this particular NIST report is somehow an assault on Western democratic values. Neither have you shown it is a blatant or transparent assault.

If you want to persuade, practice the art of persuasion. I suggest:

- Elaborate, clarify, use good reasoning.

- Explore multiple explanations. Don't put on blinders. Seek the truth wherever it lies.

- Don't oversimplify. Express appropriate uncertainty.

- Use conversation to move towards better understanding.

- Don't misrepresent what others say or believe.