[JumpCrisscross]

> Do you have a link to a blog or writeup regarding the inter-links not working?

The simpler answer is intra-constellation communication is a bleeding-edge technology. It's an extraordinary challenge for which extraordinary proof is needed to show success, not the other way around. SpaceX has solved most of the gating technical problems. But getting it to work reliably enough that it becomes more economic than ground-based backhaul will take time.

[lxgr]

> intra-constellation communication is a bleeding-edge technology

Iridium has been successfully doing it for a quarter of a century now.

[inemesitaffia]

An even simpler answer is Starlink is available in locations too far from ground stations.

Ergo they are served via laser.

Cook Island

Ascension Island

Iran

Venezuela

Cuba

Galapagos/Easter Islands

Vanuatu

Eastern Ukraine

Syria

Lebanon

Iraq

Iqaluit

Antarctica, as South as the South Pole

Tristan de Cunha

The range of the ground stations are under 1500 miles and I really don't know where people are getting the idea that the lasers don't work.

[Fischgericht]

"The range of the ground stations are under 1500 miles and I really don't know where people are getting the idea that the lasers don't work."

Maybe because v1 and v2 did not even have working lasers on the hardware level...?

The idea is coming from "reality", Starlinks own reporting, industry talks, tech press etc.

Anyway, to shorten this we can agree that we have different definitions of what one expects from having a dedicate backbone. I would expect seamless handover amongst other things, which I have never ever seen, and unless you show me a video recording of a 24h Starlink session with MTR running I simply will trust the data I have over a random claim.

As said elsewhere in this thread: It is extremely hard to find detailed benchmarks from happy Starlink users. Next to all positive content is paid content. And a quick look at trustpilot & co clearly hint that there a huge chunk of Starlink customers might be unhappy. And even if it's just because their online gaming sessions getting interrupted on every Sat hand-over, which exists in reality, but not in your mind :)

Seriously, if you have access to any benchmark data sources, please gimme. I'm not here for "winning" an argument. Data, Data, Data.

[inemesitaffia]

I've pointed out where you can get the data from a professor.

You can also fly to one of the many Islands (or Iqaluit) I've mentioned and do your testing.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/starlinks-laser-system-is-beaming...

It's quite fascinating, there's people who's only (or first) experience with Starlink is via lasers and there's people on the Internet who'll tell you it doesn't work (I forgot to mention Georgia and Kazakhstan)

You really will hear everything on the Internet.

[Fischgericht]

You are aware that you are giving more weight to photos done of a powerpoint presentation over actual data points?

Sorry, that's not a path I am willing to follow. Religion is not my cup of tea.

[inemesitaffia]

I've given you links to the data you want and someone that can get it for you (and has monitoring stations).

I've also mentioned several places you can travel to do your own testing.

If you want to believe Tristan de Cunha or the Falkland Islands or Bhutan or Antarctica can be served by anything other than lasers, (get a map) I don't know what else to call that but religion.

I'm not giving more weight to anything. I've pointed you in the right direction but I don't think even internal tools from SpaceX would change your mind even though geography should be enough.

[inemesitaffia]

please talk to "panuvic". pan &a@t& uvic.ca he's a networking prof.

Here's the data you've been asking for and dodging like I didn't post.

https://old.reddit.com/user/panuvic/submitted/

[lxgr]

Serious question: If you are not willing to entertain anybody else's data or observations, why should anyone entertain yours?

Is there any input whatsoever that could change your foregone conclusions? If not, what's the point of this discussion?

[inemesitaffia]

I don't even want him to entertain my data or observations.

He can go to or recruit a user in territories that can be only served via laser in 2025,(I've listed 10 at least so far) install a computer that boots to desktop and remotely test his theories.

His base argument is no one can hold a phone call or run a game without interruptions every 120 seconds on Starlink if they are served via lasers (two more countries, Kyrgyzstan and Mongolia) not because of packet drops but because of session terminations. Now I can understand the possibility of broken middle boxes, but the thing is we'd see the effect in our applications before even bringing out any network analysis tools.

He's also skipped the users doing BGP over the lasers. Doesn't BGP have sessions?

Why did this country https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=602234895877639&vanity=61560... switch to a product that's so bad it's unusable

[JumpCrisscross]

> Maybe because v1 and v2 did not even have working lasers on the hardware level...?

Did those islands have Starlink until lasers?

[inemesitaffia]

He's pretending not to understand geography or distances.

I'm very fascinated especially given the existence of community gateways on several islands that can only be served by lasers regardless of the presence of ground stations.