[Muromec]

It is indeed pretty impossible to fire people who don't want to be fired. It's still possible to spin up a subsidiary and hire people into it and if doesn't work out, well, it didn't work out. Is it even the most commons reason why companies do layoffs?

Sounds like a propaganda piece to suppress both wages and rights here.

[onraglanroad]

> It is indeed pretty impossible to fire people

It isn't really. In fact, it's usually very easy: you just have to follow the exact procedure that is written down for you.

Every example I've seen when people have claimed differently, they haven't followed that procedure. Literally every time.

[naldb]

It’s very easy: spend an insane amount of money, usually at a time when your business can’t afford it.

[surgical_fire]

That's not how it works. You just can't fire at will.

If your business can't afford to fire people it probably shouldn't be hiring too.

[naldb]

How do you know at the time of hiring that months or years down the road the business won’t go well?

[piva00]

Isn't that part of the job of being in top management? Being paid millions of bucks for your skills that should tell what your business need?

If the signs are showing that you might need to fire people, you need to think and work for that: set enough money aside to pay for severance and/or buy-outs, not just decide "oh shit, I can't pay them, and I can't pay what is needed for me to fire them", that's just incompetence.

The way you present this is like business leaders are victims that were helpless on forecasting what their businesses need, which is exactly their fucking job to do.

[surgical_fire]

If you are a business owner, the business doing well is your fucking job. If you can't do your job you should fail.

What you want is the freedom to be shitty at running your company, and offload your incompetence by exploiting the workers under you.

[naldb]

It’s not “you” failing. If your business fails, everybody gets fired. Why is everybody getting fired better than firing a few people?

[Muromec]

Your problem, not mine, lol.

[naldb]

Actually it’s everybody’s problem, since job inflexibility is one of the reasons why Europe is so poor compared to other first world countries.

Who exactly benefits from a business going under? Its bigger competitors? The less well off are the ones that suffer the most from oligarchic sectors and cartels.

[nosianu]

The German magazine "Spiegel" has a (paywalled) career-info article on the homepage right now about a lawyer specializing in getting rid of unwanted employees.

https://www.spiegel.de/karriere/entlassungen-wie-unternehmen...

The headline text translated:

> “I'm currently trying to get a severely disabled works council member out. We're well on our way.”

> Removing high earners from the payroll, compensating employees who cannot be dismissed: employer lawyers like Alexander Birkhahn are booming. Here, he reveals how companies can get almost anyone out—and how employees can secure their jobs.