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by dgs_sgd 254 days ago
I’m just a layman, but why can’t they increase the orbital radius to solve this problem? Like, if the current “layer” is too full, have the new satellites orbit further out?
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> why can’t they increase the orbital radius to solve this problem?

Because there isn't a problem. LEO contains more than 200x the volume of commercial airspace.

We run out of spectrum and launch capacity well before Kessler cascades become a problem.

The reason starlink are so low in the first place is its cheaper to launch to that altitude, you need way less signal strength for devices to connect to them and the round-trip latency is vastly improved. They're intended to be essentially disposable, they're going for shorter lifetime and iterating on hardware improvements faster.

The further out you get, there's less atmospheric drag and each satellite is in view of the ground stations for longer but the cost of launch is higher and latency becomes a big issue. People expect 50ms latency for internet access not 500ms.

WP says Low Earth Orbit is popular because it's cheap to get stuff there, the latency is low (speed of light starts to matter when you're a couple Earth diameters up) and bandwidth to the ground is high (I assume it's harder to send a signal a longer distance, even through vacuum)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Earth_orbit see "Use"

Automatic EOL (end of life) deorbiting is a feature not a bug.

I will again note that if Saber Tooth tigers had put things in the orbits we have, it would still be our problem.

very simple explanation but there's a few issues

radio bandwidth: higher frequencies travel a shorter distance and provide more bandwidth. so you get frequency contention and also you need your sats to be physically closer

latency: the further a sat is, the higher the latency. not an issue for text messages. a huge issue for phone calls and general internet tasks. the further you "push" your sat "back", the worst the user experience is

there's other issues too, like geostationary vs geosynchronous and coverage and exposure.

Low orbit is how star link is able to achieve their connections, isn't it? I think of they moved to normal telecom orbit the performance would be like normal satellite internet too
They originally planned to be about 1100km up. They are currently about 550km up. Plenty of possible layers in between...

Another 500 km won't affect latency much. It'll be around 3 more ms per round trip.

That's not a bad latency addition, you're right. Good note
Not with a geostationary orbit. That must have a fixed radius. The problem is that satellites have to move to counteract the force of gravity to avoid falling out of orbit. But if they move too much or too little, then the satellite moves with respect to the earth and the orbit is no longer geostationary.

(Caveat: Not an expert by any means, just someone who had a similar question and did some reading, so my answer may well be incomplete or not fully correct.)

Starlink satellites aren't geostationary.
The parent comment wasn't specifically addressing Starlink.
This has already been addressed as LEO is not geostationary but to point as to why. Consider the earths equator rotates at a particular velocity so there is a particular orbital radius where the two cancel and NO energy is needed to fall around the equator at the same rate the equator is moving. That is a geostationary orbit.

LEO maxes out ~ 1,200 miles radius, geostationary is at little over over 22,000 miles radius.