[GordonS]

On drones: there is no evidence of that. The supposed "drone ship" that was siezed by France turned out to be crewed by Chinese and had no drones or weapons on board. A Croatian citizen were arrested regarding the drone near Frankfurt airport. Three Germans were arrested regarding the drones near Oslo.

Consider what Russia could possibly have to gain by randomly flying drones near civilian airports... nothing? Consider what NATO have to gain - stirring up anti-Russian sentiment, garnering consent for massive expenditure on an "EU drone wall" and continued money laundering in the Ukraine.

Please show me where Russian politicians openly talk about flying drones around European airports? I've seen Putin and others ridicule the very notion - and it really is ridiculous. Oh, I forgot about the supposed Russian drones in Poland too, drones which don't even have the range to get to Poland, and which had literally been duct-taped together from the remains of Russian drones and placed for a photoshoot!

Look at this map of NATO's expansion eastward toward Russia, and then please do tell about Russia's supposed expansion plans: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:History_of_NATO_enla...

War with Russia is only a real possibility because the US and EU want it.

[dgroshev]

"The Ukraine" is offensive, please refrain from using it. Wikipedia covers some of the history behind the use of the definite article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine#English_defini...

[GordonS]

I wasn't aware, thank you for explaining - I'll try to use the correct form from now on.

[mopsi]

  > Consider what Russia could possibly have to gain by randomly flying drones near civilian airports... nothing?

What could Russian military intelligence possibly have to gain from an arson attack on a COOP grocery store in rural Estonia? And yet, they were caught red-handed: https://english.nv.ua/nation/two-gru-arsonists-jailed-in-est... Many other Russian-sponsored terrorist cells have also been caught and are awaiting trial or have been sentenced, the most notable being a network that tried to smuggle incendiary devices aboard DHL cargo planes.

  > Oh, I forgot about the supposed Russian drones in Poland too, drones which don't even have the range to get to Poland

Then how do they reach western Ukraine every night? It's much farther away than the distance Russian drones penetrated into Poland.

  > Look at this map of NATO's expansion eastward toward Russia, and then please do tell about Russia's supposed expansion plans

Comparing European countries voluntarily joining a mutual defense pact to a foreign invasion is moronic. You could make a similar map for any major international organization: the closer a country was to Russia, the less developed it tended to be (no coincidence) and the later it joined. Has the Council of Europe been slowly expanding towards Russia and threatening them with human rights? Has Starbucks been fighting a shadow war to surround Russia with mediocre coffee?

[empiricus]

Well, for some context, most new NATO members were previously under communism regimes and soviet influence in the past. After getting their freedom, the next step was to make sure they are safe from Russia.

[junaru]

Thats why we are perfect soil for this FUD.

Senior population remembers soviet union with all its warts (rightfully so) but fail to account the structures that governed the union and whole topdown integration no longer exists there.

Meanwhile anyone born in the last 40 years was raised with inferiority complex due to being economically behind and treat every word from west as gospel.

[watwut]

There is evidence of Russian drones entering Polish airspace. That has nothing to do with any ships.

> Consider what NATO have to gain - stirring up anti-Russian sentiment, garnering consent for massive expenditure on an "EU drone wall" and continued money laundering in the Ukraine.

NATO should do more to help Ukraine. They absolutely should.

>Look at this map of NATO's expansion eastward toward Russia,

That is countries deciding to join NATO in the hope it will protect them against Russia. No one forced them into NATO. Russia does not like it only because NATO prevents Russia from expanding. This is such a ridiculous talking point.