[pjmlp]

Webassembly taking off on the browser is wishful thinking.

There are a couple unicorns like Figma and that is it.

Performance is much better option with WebGPU compute, and not everyone hates JavaScript.

Whereas on the server it is basically a bunch of companies trying to replicate application servers, been there done that.

[breve]

> Webassembly taking off on the browser is wishful thinking.

It has taken off in the browser. If you've ever used Google Sheets you've used WebAssembly.

[pjmlp]

Another niche use case.

[breve]

Google Sheets is one of the most widely used applications on the planet. It's not niche.

Amazon switched their Prime Video app from JavaScript to WebAssembly for double the performance. Is streaming video a niche use case?

[easton]

I think they meant most people aren’t building a high performance spreadsheet, not most people aren’t using a high performance spreadsheet.

[breve]

> most people aren’t building a high performance spreadsheet

Lots of people are building Blazor applications:

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/apps/aspnet/web-apps/blaz...

> not most people aren’t using a high performance spreadsheet

A spreadsheet making use of WebAssembly couldn't be deployed to the browser if WebAssembly hadn't taken off in browsers.

Practical realities contradict pjmlp's preconceptions.

[pjmlp]

Don't mix mainstream adoption at the same level as regular JavaScrip and Typescript, with availability.

Microsoft would wish Blazor would take off like React and Angular, in reality it is seldom used outside .NET shops intranets in a way similar to WebForms.

[koakuma-chan]

Can you actually build something like Figma in Blazor? Does Blazor somehow facilitate that?

[lanyard-textile]

I think that was sarcasm :)

[whizzter]

I wouldn't be surprised if it did take off, classic Wasm semantics were horrible since you needed a lot of language support to even have simple cludges when referring to DOM objects via indices and extra lifeness checking.

WASM-GC will remove a lot of those and make quite a few languages possible as almost first-class DOM manipulating languages (there's still be cludges as the objects are opaque but they'll be far less bad since they can at least avoid external ID mappings and dual-GC systems that'll behave leakily like old IE ref-counts did).

[pjmlp]

All great and dandy, except tooling still sucks.

You still need to usually install plenty of moving pieces to produce a wasm file out of the "place language here", write boilerplate initialisation code, debugging is miserable, only for a few folks to avoid writing JavaScript.

[Rohansi]

I think you may be underestimating how many people really dislike JavaScript.

[pjmlp]

As many that dislike PHP, C, C++, yet here we are.

[whizzter]

There will always be enthusiasts to take the initial steps, the question is if they have the taste to make it a coherent system that isn't horrible to use.

Counted out over N languages, we should see something decent land before long.