[Wowfunhappy]

I don't know how I would live my life without access to mainstream mobile apps. I have to use an app to pay for the laundry machine in my apartment building. At school—I'm a teacher nowadays—we use an app to mark student attendance during fire drills.

Freedom of speech should not require living in the woods secluded from society. It is the responsibility of all of us—especially major institutions—to work to preserve that. I can't do it on my own.

[craftkiller]

> laundry

Keep an old android phone in a drawer somewhere. Take it out when you do laundry.

> mark student attendance

If your workplace requires you to use an app then your workplace can issue you a phone that you keep at work. I don't use my personal devices for anything work-related and you shouldn't either.

[atmavatar]

Reminder: the moment you start using your phone for work-related material, your workplace has the right to access and remove data from your phone.

Never, ever use your personal phone for work stuff.

[craftkiller]

On top of that, someone brings a lawsuit against your company? Well your personal phone that you used for work is now being impounded as evidence. Both inconvenient and invasive.

[Wowfunhappy]

I can't practically carry around two different phones all day at work, especially given how big they are now. (It's not like I work at a desk, I'm constantly running between different classrooms and other spaces.) The "work" phone would end up being the one I had on my person most of the time.

...but frankly, I am such a geek that it doesn't really matter for me. I have a tiny 11-inch laptop that I usually keep somewhere nearby, or I can VNC into my home desktop computer from my phone.

The thing is that normal people shouldn't have to do this! I say this as someone who does believe that everyone should become more tech-literate and capable with computers. One of the subjects I teach is 5th grade computer science. I don't expect all or even most of my kids to become professional software engineers, but I want them to know enough that they'll be able to make computers work for them instead of the other way around. This is one of the reasons I became a teacher.

I don't expect all of my students to buy and carry around multiple phones in order to protect democracy.

[craftkiller]

> how big they are now

Request that your work phone be this: https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-star

If all it is doing is taking attendance then you don't need a large phone.

> normal people shouldn't have to do this!

I agree, but this is what's happening. Google and Apple are taking away the freedom, it's time to put up or shut up.

[GoblinSlayer]

Put them in a sac? You don't need the phones to be attached straight to your body, they only need to be within 40m from you.