[stinkbeetle]

No they don't want that, because it could lead to an uprising against them. They want us provided with the essentials in exchange for being dutiful workers, so we have something to lose.

Everyone should live in pods stacked together, eat insects, not drive our own automobiles around or fly places, we should be able to get our entertainment and everything to keep ourselves happy from their subscription entertainment services. Basically we are to consume as little as possible to barely keep ourselves alive and sane while they sail themselves around to pat one another on the backs at their climate and economic conferences on their billion dollar luxury yachts.

Actually no that would be stupid they don't have the time or patience to sail their yachts around. They have crew for that. They will fly in one of their handful of private jets and have the yacht meet them there.

[akk0]

I'd actually love to eat insects but to my dismay I found out they're actually really expensive...

[lukan]

Just go outside for a while with a survival book if you are into it.

[pokstad]

Soylent green will be affordable when the baby boomers start passing.

[stinkbeetle]

None of this was ever intended to be cheap for you.

[akimbostrawman]

don't forget the dismantling of the local community and family identity to make people reliant on the government preventing resistance by division.

[kakacik]

People do this to themselves and willingly, no spooky evil capitalists behind the curtains are necessary.

People love money and what they can bring on the table, people often hate each other ie within families stiffed by peer pressure and expectations of mentalities formed in another very different era, people love discovering new countries and cultures. And so on and on.

Ie me - I love my parents, my childhood was normal, only later to find and compare with others to see how such childhood was... abnormally uncommon. But I very much prefer seeing them few times a year only, even though we love when they help with kids. Some of their opinions are very outdated, their ramblings are often out of touch with reality, they tend sometimes to spoil kids (even after setting boundaries), and overall generational gap is absolutely massive. It is a form of freedom. Make that 10x more in much more strict societies where pressure and expectations from parents on kids are massive and then they wonder why kids stay the heck away from them once adults.

And fuck local communities, for every good-hearted neighbor who just wants to socialize and help out and otherwise stays away from one's life, there is easily 5 or 10 who are the epitome of nimbyism, voyeurism or similar hobbies of people with empty lives, clueless on how world and people actually work but always with very strong opinions on everything and will to push those on everybody else.

[watwut]

But kids in those strict societies stay with parents more, help them and treat them better.

Meanwhile, you dont care about them except for them being potential resource of free work.

And I mean, you idea of local comunity is all about other people doing free work for you and then tolerating your peculiarities with no reciprocation.

So, I dont think that is much of an argument here.

[palmotea]

> And I mean, you idea of local comunity is all about other people doing free work for you and then tolerating your peculiarities with no reciprocation.

When it seems to you like everyone around you is the problem, you may actually be the problem.

[kakacik]

Maybe I phrased wrongly (not a native speaker) but what you say is incorrect. I am not free coasting on parents, in contrary my first years all my earning went into providing them a good home for rest of their lives, while living in tiny rental rooms. You have no idea from sort of poor background I come from, most western kids have no clue. It was a massive improvement of QoL for them that they would never be able to afford themselves and they still appreciate it massively. Since we live 1500km from them they help with kids literally few hours per year, not a burden for anybody involved.

But freedom to chose with whom we spend our time is a thing, no matter how much people like you try to force their righteous values that are the only proper true way (TM) on everybody else. I am old enough and over time met plenty of folks like that, be it religious or other forms, they are at the end the same as your comment.

[garte]

the last bit is only true under individualised consumerism. its when everybody is like a spoiled child is where solidarity goes to die.

[stinkbeetle]

I suspect that's beyond what the Hackernews crowd can cope with contemplating. Billionaires bad except on that subject in which case billionaires good and working class bad.

[squidbeak]

At that stage, owners will very likely have enough drones and robots at their command to not need to worry about petty things like flesh and blood uprisings.

[blks]

How will they steal added value and get richer if masses consume as little as possible?

[csomar]

All the value will be diverted. I don’t know if you noticed, but in the last few years, you’d have come ahead if you gambled on the stock, crypto or commodities market than if you busted your ass.

[ta1243]

That would be https://marshallbrain.com/manna

[azan_]

> Everyone should live in pods stacked together, eat insects, not drive our own automobiles around or fly places, we should be able to get our entertainment and everything to keep ourselves happy from their subscription entertainment services.

Yes of course capitalists love when economy is bad. Sorry, these dystopic visions do not pass even simplest smell test.

[grafmax]

It’s less complicated than that. Externalities are when an individual profits but others pay the price. Think of climate change. And when a small number are so rich they control the government, so there’s nothing to stop them. It’s narrow incentives driving the whole thing.

[watwut]

They love it when the richest people do well. They dont care about how anyone else lives. The poorer other people are better they feel about winning.

Those you call "capitalists" love monopolies as long as they are theirs. They love captured market. They dont care about competition unless it is someone not them competing to provide for them on lower price.

As of now, billionaires dont want or need strong economy as a "middle class and lower class doing good". They want the "our wealth goes up, we are getting tax breaks, if lower class pays for it cool" kind of economy.

[gaindustries]

The poorer people are that are still able to work, the cheaper labor is. It's really that simple.

[stinkbeetle]

The economy won't be bad. The numbers will look good for them. Also they aren't capitalists. Try to keep up.