[markessien]

An eternal military occupation, where the GOVERNMENT says - you will NEVER get a country, and you will NEVER be part of our country IS apartheid.

These are direct, unambiguous statements from the Prime Minister and all members of the cabinet. They have said that the Palestinians will NEVER get a state.

So what are you saying then about Israel wanting a two state solution? They have said there will be no state, and they have said they will not give civil rights.

This is apartheid.

[jameshilliard]

> An eternal military occupation, where the GOVERNMENT says - you will NEVER get a country, and you will NEVER be part of our country IS apartheid.

That's not apartheid, apartheid means race based discrimination which is simply not an accurate characterization of what is going on here.

> These are direct, unambiguous statements from the Prime Minister and all members of the cabinet. They have said that the Palestinians will NEVER get a state.

Israel isn't a dictatorship and these things can change over time, I'm certainly no fan of Netanyahu in general, right now there is very little support for a two state solution amongst Israelis because they largely don't believe the Palestinians currently have a desire to live in peace with Israeli Jews. Unfortunately they appear to be correct for the time being but if those viewpoints were to change on the Palestinian side I would expect Israeli opinions to change as well. I'm just not sure how you de-radicalize a population like the Palestinians.

> So what are you saying then about Israel wanting a two state solution? They have said there will be no state, and they have said they will not give civil rights.

My point is that Israelis in the past have supported a two state solution, obviously there is currently a war going on right now so a two state solution is not going to happen any time soon.

> This is apartheid.

That's still not apartheid, it's an occupation, there's a difference.

[7402]

> Israel isn't a dictatorship and these things can change over time

Indeed, Israel is a democracy, and things have in fact changed over time. These changes in Israeli public opinion have been based largely on the actions of the Palestinians.

There was optimism about peace in 2007, after the withdrawal from Gaza: 70% of Israelis supported the two-state solution. After the Hamas massacres in 2023, there was 70% opposition to the two-state solution.

[markessien]

It is race based because if there was a jewish person living in Palestine, they could apply for and get the right to vote. A muslim person cannot.

The Israeli PM has said: There will never be a Palestinian state. If you plan to eternally occupy and dominate a people, what is the difference to Apartheid?

[jameshilliard]

> It is race based because if there was a jewish person living in Palestine, they could apply for and get the right to vote. A muslim person cannot.

Jews are not allowed to live in Palestine controlled territories at all(i.e. Gaza and West Bank areas A/B). This still wouldn't be race based discrimination however. Apartheid is a form of discrimination among citizens, immigration law is a somewhat separate issue. Many countries take factors into account when it comes to immigration laws that wouldn't be applied with regards to those who are already citizens. You don't see those cases of immigration law preferences being called Apartheid in general.

> The Israeli PM has said: There will never be a Palestinian state.

Israel has elections and things can change.

> If you plan to eternally occupy and dominate a people, what is the difference to Apartheid?

That's still not race based discrimination so not Apartheid.