[gatlin]

> Are you seriously suggesting Israel can just give citizenship/voting rights to all Palestinians and make a group that largely wants their destruction a voting majority?

Can you think of any reason why Palestinians might feel this way? Does anything come to mind?

[jameshilliard]

> Can you think of any reason why Palestinians might feel this way?

There are multiple factors, radicalization has long been a major issue in Palestinian schools[0].

[0] https://unwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Schools-in-th...

[markessien]

Being forced into a never ending apartheid situation may also be the reason. Give them voting rights or give them a state, it's pretty simple.

[dotancohen]

Since the 1990s Israel has been trying to give them a state, to varying degrees. They got civil and security autonomy in Areas A of the West Bank, for example. And Israel pulled her citizens out of the Gaza strip in 2005.

The problem is that the PA, who rules the West Bank are extremely corrupt, and Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. Neither side has been actually performing all the functions of state, UNRWA has been doing that.

[markessien]

The PM of Israel has stated: The Palestinians will NEVER have a state.

What part of that statement did I misunderstand? Israel's stated policy is this: No State for the Palestinians, no Civil Rights. This is clear.

[dotancohen]

The leaders of Hamas have stated the the Jewish state is to destroyed and the Jewish residents exterminated.

The PA leaders have stated that the German genocide of Jews never occurred.

And Egyptian, Jordanian, Palestinian, Libyan, and Iraqi leaders have all stated the the idea of a Palestinian People was invented in the 1960s. No joke.

If you want to start pulling out quotes to judge merit in the Middle East, there's enough material to hang anybody.

[markessien]

The leaders of Israel have not just spoken about it, they have actually destroyed the Palestinian State in the last few months. They have killed tens of thousands of kids.

Should they be deradicalised?

[gatlin]

Discussing this topic with you is impossible because you have committed to spreading Israeli state propaganda regardless of what the actual facts of the situation are. If you are unmoved by the children being savagely blown apart by Israeli rockets because you equate that with some Arab states bad-mouthing Israel then I fear nothing will ever convince you that Palestinians are human. Have a good day and if you have kids, give them a hug and be glad they don't live in Gaza.

[gatlin]

> They got

First problem: not Israel's to give.

> The problem is that the PA, who rules the West Bank are extremely corrupt, and Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction.

The Ministry of Strategic Affairs couldn't have put it better...

[dotancohen]

  > First problem: not Israel's to give.

Why not? It was part of Mandatory Palestine, lost to Jordanian occupation in the war for independence, and in 1967 recovered by Israeli forces in the same manner that Jordanian forces took it in the previous war. It had a Jewish population for the past 3,000 years, the only exception being the 19 years that the Jordanians held it because the Jordanians ethnically cleansed the area upon conquering it. At what point in this timeline do the Israelis lose claim to the area, or what have I misrepresented in the timeline?

[jameshilliard]

> Being forced into a never ending apartheid situation may also be the reason.

An occupation is not apartheid.

> Give them voting rights

Israel tried that...Palestinians straight up voted for Hamas terrorists[0] who promptly eliminated voting rights(although based on opinion polling Hamas would likely be elected again).

> give them a state

Israel tried moving towards that in Gaza[1], it backfired spectacularly leading to the current conflict.

Any other ideas on how to move towards peaceful coexistence? I think the first step is some sort of de-radicalization program, but not sure how one would implement that.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the...

[markessien]

Israel has said: The Palestinians will never have a state. They have also said - the Palestinians will never vote in Israel. Is this not apartheid?

[jameshilliard]

> Is this not apartheid?

Apartheid by definition means race based discrimination, which is different from citizenship based discrimination(which basically all countries have to various degrees).

[markessien]

Anyone in the world who has one race can freely move there. People of other races cannot. Rights are awarded based on race. Nothing to do with citizenship.

Apartheid.

[gatlin]

Perhaps also the illegal occupation, illegal blockades, the bombing, and the genocide. Maybe those things don't matter to you, though.