[xp84]

The Democrats already lost the battle on those things (cuts to Medicaid + no extension of Obamacare subsidies) and they were already going to happen because Democrats didn’t (and don’t) have the votes to renew them because they can’t win elections. Now they’re using this opportunity to try to get those things back at gunpoint. It’s not propaganda that the Republicans have offered a CR which changes nothing additional. Once again, Democrats expect to enact their own policy goals with 47 Senate seats and find it doesn’t go so well. Maybe some decade they will go back to trying to convince voters to vote for them instead of just ridiculing everyone outside their echo chamber.

(I’m not a democrat or a republican, I’m not rooting for either one.)

[johnnyanmac]

>’m not a democrat or a republican, I’m not rooting for either one

You clear are of you're rooting for your own Healthcare premiums to go up. This really isn't a left or right issue.

Heck, this proportionately hurts red states more. Must be so tiring in office to try and defend people who actively wish for your destruction.

[xp84]

I’m not on Obamacare, so my premiums aren’t going up. Obamacare is also pretty terrible, since those plans always have worse networks than private insurance since those plans have shitty reimbursement rates. Anyone who can avoid Obamacare plans avoids them, and is smart to do so.

One reason I don’t support the DNC is because Obamacare is such a shitty and compromised system, designed to help insurance companies maximize their profits. Since the Democrats can’t convince anyone to vote for them because they are obsessed with draping themselves in the mantles of unpopular culture war issues, they have proven unable to get the kind of power it would take to pass even a public option, let alone an “NHS.”

I don’t support the GOP, of course, because instead of coming up with a better alternative or an overhaul, they just fuck around with it and try to make it worse and more expensive.

Both sides are idiots here.

[johnnyanmac]

>designed to help insurance companies maximize their profits.

What Healthcare plan isn't going to help private insurance benefit? Medicare/caid already puts a trillion dollar in funding it, so this isn't isn't something that can be fully government funded with the US's current debt. They'll have to worn with existing companies on this. It's not an easy problem to solve.

The solution here is to get more progressive people into these seats so they get better deals and control the greed of private Healthcare, not just hold your hands up and say "both sides bad" and do nothing. Doing nothing only forwards the status quo, and the status quo ain't really great right now.

Isn't that a common Dem criticism? That we can't compromise and end up standing for nothing because every possible candidate has some small issue that makes t >the Democrats can’t convince anyone to vote for them because they are obsessed with draping themselves in the mantles of unpopular culture war issues

You're falling for the right wing spin. We still have Trump complaining about trans athletes as the government is shut down and somehow the democrats are focusing on the culture war? You're conflating internet culture wars with the DC politicians. Only one voter base has pushed this point and it's precisely to distract.

I'm on communities them "unsupportable"? I don't like that either. You don't make solutions without compromise.

like HN precisely to filter out thst bickering and focus on what's actually affecting my life.

Government has traditionally been horrible at establishing culture anyway. They can facilitate it, but it's down to the people to make do with the tools given.

[dns_snek]

> This really isn't a left or right issue.

That's precisely what this is, views on welfare are one of the most fundamental ideological differences between "the left" and "the right".

What's messed up is that people who need social welfare and subsidies the most end up voting for conservatism and austerity, so everyone ends up twisting the definitions of "the left" and "the right" to rationalize their own choices.

[johnnyanmac]

It's really not, it's a uniquely American problem. You don't have the far right in the UK nor Japan nor India try to argue about increasing Healthcare premiums. It's as foreign idea to them as national id's are for the US.

But yes, I completely agree with your comment otherwise.

[foogazi]

> Democrats didn’t (and don’t) have the votes to renew them because they can’t win elections.

They win once and all of a sudden they feel they are the new kings

[johnnyanmac]

After this all blows over, I never want to hear a 1A nor 2A argument from anyone who voted for this ever again. Nor anything about balancing the budget It's clear that they love to be treaded on and welcome it on a red carpet.

[Sabinus]

Forget Medicaid expansions expiring, the Democrat ultimatum should be around Trump's crypto bribes and seizing the power of the purse from Congress.