[ge96]

I wonder how the indie/entrepreneur space is doing nowadays. I tried to do it myself but never really got anywhere this was back in 2016. Whenever I go on sites/subreddits around this topic a lot of the posts just seem to be about generating clout/some fake revenue numbers/screenshot of earnings. It's like entrepreneurs selling to each other.

I suppose nowadays it's probably around LLM wrappers, photo generation, video generation services... there were those niche ones in the past like the teacher with her bingo cards maker

It's still in my mind as I don't like waiting for a paycheck, just wondering how the space is doing nowadays

[ChanningAllen]

It's doing better than ever! LLMs offer the equivalent of $500k+ in outside funding if used correctly, so there's a huge uptick in # of new bootstrapped startups.

In fact we (the Indie Hackers founders) are bootstrapping a new B2B app now that Claude Code & Codex CLI (etc) are on the org chat.

[mikestorrent]

I hope this is a parody post and not actually the real exhultations of an actual founder.

[zrules]

For post-product-market-fit hires or scale-up engineering teams, the interview process could skip LeetCode and instead test how well candidates can identify and debug issues introduced by LLMs. Less binary trees, more LLM bug-hunting

[myth_drannon]

Well the OP is the co-founder of Indie Hackers...

[mikestorrent]

:shrug: Good for him

[pcthrowaway]

> LLMs offer the equivalent of $500k+ in outside funding if used correctly

And it only costs $1M to use them correctly!

[mikestorrent]

I don't want to use the word "grift", but it really seems like we're scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to new ideas for products a lot of the time. Go and read this month's HN "Who is hiring" thread for an example. It's all either fintech crypto crap that never seems to come to fruition for anything normal people want to use, weird microloans, and products for extremely small niches like using AI to help with gift-giving and so forth.

It's honestly hard to imagine wanting to work 12 hour days to advance some of these interests. We're seeing some of the greatest minds of our generation lost to these kinds of ephemeral, short-lived projects that flame up, consume VC, and mostly burn out uselessly, having created a bunch of IP that is shelved never to be seen again. What's the point?

Maybe we really all ought to just get drafted. At least I'd be able to explain to my kids what I do for a living.

[egypturnash]

Is it better or worse than when the greatest minds of our generation were lost to increasing user engagement by any means necessary?

[schwartzworld]

This is a great way of describing it. I recently read an interview with Herbie Hancock where he basically blamed “YouTube rabbit holes” for his not producing a new album in 15 years.

[mikestorrent]

I'd say it keeps getting worse, and it's not like we've stopped focusing on engagement numbers

[ge96]

Forced conscription sucks, at least a difference between real war and something mandatory like 2 years of reserves equivalent (I'm not talking about US)

[mikestorrent]

Of course, it's abhorrent. The only imaginable upside would be a grand shift of societal priorities away from the kind of useless effort I'm talking about.

[dzonga]

quite sad, the space had inspirational stories. & IndieHackers brought those stories to the masses to inspire.

but later 'fast money / influencers' entered the space. It has become a mini ponzi sell a starter pack / template to wannabe indiehackers, sell a course to wannabe indiehackers.

For solo founders I guess if you wanna get all meat no bones stick to MicroConf