[fabian2k]

I want these decisions to be bases on scientific and medical data, not on gut feeling or unfounded personal belief. I have no issue with regulating specific dyes or additives in food, or groups of related chemicals.

And your anecdote is not scientific data. You cannot draw any conclusions from that.

[tengbretson]

There is no scientific framework that can tell you the correct amount of non-food material to intentionally add to your otherwise fine food.

[throwawayqqq11]

https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/qualified-presump...

Its a risk assessment not a measure of absolute certainty.

[pfexec]

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[ethersteeds]

I know this feels cut and dry to you, but what you're kicking is a fundamental pillar of the industrial food system. Many food products emerge from processing a dull or unappetizing color. Food needs to last as long as possible and still look like food. It's tempting to say that food should all be made with love in home kitchens, but that's untenable for feeding 8 billion people.

My favorite example of this is orange juice. OJ is kept in long term storage to stretch a seasonal crop into year-round availability. What comes out is brown and flavorless! This brown mush is restored to something a person would drink with the addition of "flavor packs" made by the perfume industry. This has the added benefit of giving brands a consistent and repeatable flavor. Regulatory bodies in their wisdom allow this product to be called "100% juice".

You might say well get rid of that too. I'm not arguing this is the ideal food system. But it has to be said, this goes a lot deeper than the easy ones like frosting and fruit loops.

[Clamchop]

Calling it "the perfume industry" is a half truth. It's the flavoring industry, but it so happens that there's a lot of overlap between perfume and flavoring in terms of raw materials.

However, flavoring is a distinct profession. Besides that, very few novel compounds are allowed in food compared to fragrance. If any flavoring is synthetic in origin (which is not the same thing as novel, to be clear) then the product must be labeled as artificially flavored. If they call the product 100% juice and added flavoring is used, then that flavoring in turn has to have been sourced from the fruit.

In other words, they're using extracts from real oranges to reconstitute the flavor lost during pasteurization. They can further adjust which parts of the extract they use (called fractions and isolates) to dial in a particular flavor.

[ethersteeds]

I appreciate the nuance! My intention was to show that there's a surprising amount of correction for flavor and taste necessary even for one-ingredient "natural" foods.

[kyleee]

Primarily in bulk operations, none of that bullshit is needed if you just juice some fresh oranges into a glass and drink it…

[valleyer]

But there is a clear public health trade-off there, because far fewer people will drink O.J. if that work is required (vs. just pouring it out of a carton).

[speff]

Food presentation has an effect on taste. This is why the dyes are used. Frankly, I wouldn't want to live in a world where the only food we're allowed to eat has to demonstrate that it's only made of ingredients necessary to sustain life and be nutritional.

[dcrazy]

We don’t make decisions to ban foodstuffs based on whether they are “necessary to sustain life.”

[kelipso]

Maybe we should. Ideally we should ban ingredients that are not on a whitelist instead of banning ingredients on a blacklist.

Why are we as a society allowing these paperclip maximizing companies to experiment on hundreds of millions of people for their own profits..

[kyleee]

Bingo; should have to prove something is safe rather than the opposite

[faangguyindia]

> scientific and medical data,

which has never been been manipulated by funding.