[acuozzo]

> Tell me how you, without knowing the code base, get the LLM to not add these classes?

Stop talking to it like a chatbot.

Draft, in your editor, the best contract-of-work you can as if you were writing one on behalf of NASA to ensure the lowest bidder makes the minimum viable product without cutting corners.

---

  Goal: Do X.

  Sub-goal 1: Do Y.

  Sub-goal 2: Do Z.

  Requirements:

    1. Solve the problem at hand in a direct manner with a concrete implementation instead of an architectural one.

    2. Do not emit abstract classes.

    3. Stop work and explain if the aforementioned requirements cannot be met.

---

For the record: Yes, I'm serious. Outsourcing work is neither easy nor fun.

[metalliqaz]

Every time I see something like this, I wonder what kind of programmers actually do this. For the kinds of code that I write (specific to my domain and generates real value), describing "X", "Y", and "Z" is a very non-trivial task.

If doing those is easy, then I would assume that the software isn't that novel in the first place. Maybe get something COTS

I've been coding for 25 years. It is easier for me to describe what I need in code than it is to do so in English. May as well just write it.

[acuozzo]

> I've been coding for 25 years.

20 here, mostly in C; mixture of systems programming and embedded work.

My only experience with vibe-coding is when working under a time-crunch very far outside of my domain of expertise, e.g., building non-transformer-based LLMs in Python.

[wtetzner]

I mean, unless you just don't know how to program, I struggle to see what value the LLM is providing. By the time you've broken it down enough for the LLM, you might as well just write the code yourself.

[acuozzo]

I've been writing code for over 20 years, mostly in C.

My only experience with vibe-coding is when working under a time-crunch very far outside of my domain of expertise.

No amount of "knowing how to program" is going to give me >10 years of highly-specialized PhD-level Mathematics experience in under three months.

[wtetzner]

The how do you know it got it right?

[acuozzo]

I was provided with a battery of externally-produced tests, benchmark scripts, etc. I was told to assume that the tests were comprehensive.

Independent of this, I used competing models produced by different organizations (e.g. OpenAI vs. Google) to test & verify each other's work.

I also could, somewhat, follow along with the math itself.

[baq]

Yeah, but LLM is simply faster, especially in this case where you know exactly what you need, it’s just a lot of typing.