[mistercheph]

Hasnt written a great novel, wont ever write a great novel, will definitely write regurgitated slop that midwit tech slaves steeped in the works of Malcolm Gladwell and Co. will read four words of and proclaim "Dostoevsky!"

[K0balt]

I think that the main reason that LLM writing fails so badly in a field one might assume it would excel in is the lack of being able to model a theory of mind for the reader.

While I have seen LLMs produce some ham-fisted attempts at manipulating the state of mind of the reader, I think that the human process is so obfuscated that it only shows up in occasional echoes and shadows in the training set.

It might be possible to develop a training set that reflected perception and internal mental state vs input using (magic brain scan technology) that could change this, but right now the emotional state of the reader is just missing from the training data.

[jollyllama]

Indeed. GP isn't making the point they think they're making.

"It's writes like us, it must think like us, and will be able to think anything we can think!"

"It's embodied like us, it must be be like us, and will be able to do anything we can do!"

Flawed thinking layered upon flawed perceptions, but get enough decision makers to buy into it and heaven and earth are moved to further it.

[stavros]

This take is so tiring, here's one of the most surprising things we've ever invented, and people are going "IT CAN'T WRITE DOSTOEVSKY". It's fine if y'all are so jaded, but can you at least keep it to yourselves?

[mistercheph]

LOL it's awesome, amazing tool, and I never saw it coming glad to have it, I'm responding to GP, what it does is nothing like good writing at all, and the only people who think otherwise are without exception people that have little to no exposure or training in any human arts.

[stavros]

That's not what the GP said, the comment is about how the format (language output) is promising something the technology does not actually deliver.

[UpsideDownRide]

Why are you allowing yourself to not keep it to yourself, while demanding so of others?

[stavros]

Mine was a request, the GP's was general complaining.

[HPsquared]

When humans do writing, the quality improves by refining multiple drafts, making sketches and notes of the characters and situations and so on, before synthesizing the final text. A lot of preparation and thought goes into it.

If you just ask an LLM to write something off the cuff, it'll be bad. But doing a lot of prep with a human author guiding it? Not Dostoyevsky level, but not pure slop.

[tapland]

Creative writing sites without anti ai rules are getting swamped. Disheartening looking for people to read and provide feedback when hundreds of users churn out 40k word stories on a daily basis.

[DennisP]

We might have to start meeting in person again.