[smaudet]

> but I still feel the policies must do something

That has been the problem with Apple, a lot of feeling inspired by nice UI design, and a lot of screw-you-over in the background (draconian dev policies, nonsense security requirements that make you less, not more, secure, and money grubbing that doesn't make the users any better off)...

Maybe in a world with Steve Jobs, it could have been different, who knows. I don't get the sense that Tim Cook "gets" it.

[port11]

Companies are made of people, not just their figurehead.

Jobs wasn't a nice person, as it's been documented. And if he was surrounded by MBAs and PMs trying to make a career, the results might be similar to what we have.

I do think Cook is a terrible CEO on the product side. But he's made Apple richer than ever. I'm not upgrading to the 26 version of the OS'es (btw what a stupid version bump).

[oofbey]

Can you give examples of nonsense security policies that make you less secure? I’ve always thought Apple’s security policies have been exemplary, forward thinking, and balanced.

[jackstraw42]

I have lost faith in Apple as a current best choice because of the things you say. Maybe it's dumb for me to think of it this way, but I was just expressing that I'm happier overall with how Apple handled it while I've had an iPhone. I felt like I was in better hands, even though I know just about all their shortcomings that have been made public. Still, I don't think there was a better choice for the general average Joe than an iOS device. They have kept my parents safe from identity theft, any malware (that I know of), stolen credit cards, etc. And I think they deserve some (intangible, feelings-based) credit for that.

This morning I ordered a Pixel phone after realizing they are available in my price range after all (thanks to this discussion, specifically one of the few who didn't try to argue with me) so GrapheneOS is what I would personally recommend if anyone was thinking I was trying to say "iOS is better, prove me wrong". I was more looking for others to share similar thoughts, not attempt to shut me down, but such is life.

[kmeisthax]

To be clear, Apple's authoritarian tendencies are directly downstream of Steve Jobs' authoritarian tendencies. Tim Cook's just continuing what was already there in 2014. It was Apple policy to lock down everything with code signing since the iPhone. Hell, I think it started being a company mandate around the 4th or 5th gen iPod.

The one thing Jobs didn't account for[0] was that iOS apps were going to take off and thus owning the signing keys to iOS would be extremely lucrative. Jobs' original iOS development mandate was "webapps only", at least until the jailbreak developers embarrassed him enough to change his mind. Even then, he genuinely thought 30% was going to just barely defray the costs of running the App Store.

The actual difference between Jobs and Cook is that Tim Cook isn't nearly as charismatic. Jobs had the "reality distortion field" - the ability to confidently lie so hard that the engineers believe the lie and actually make it true. It's the sort of authoritarian manifestation that Donald Trump is desperately trying (and failing) to tap into.

[0] In Jobs' defense the last SDK they'd shipped for portable devices was iPod games.