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by dimatura 267 days ago
Depends on who is doing the "careers valuing" and how closely they're looking. At a coarse level, especially for jobs in industry, venue is a pretty simple (but obviously imperfect) indicator for quality. If you've managed to publish one or more papers at the most selective venues (esp. as main author), then I would assume there's a decent chance you are good at research, even if I don't know anything about the subfield you work on. As a further indicator, the number of citations is also a noisy but easy to check proxy for "impact".

But for academic or other high-level research jobs, whoever is doing the valuing is going to look at a lot more than just the venue.

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> But for academic or other high-level research jobs, whoever is doing the valuing is going to look at a lot more than just the venue.

Depends on where. In some countries (e.g. mine, Spain), the notion that evaluation should be "objetive" leads to it degenerating into a pure bean-counting exercise: a first-quartile JCR indexed journal paper is worth 10 points, a top-tier (according to a specific ranking) conference paper is worth 8 points, etc. In some calls/contexts there is some leeway for evaluators to actually look at the content and e.g. subtract points for salami slicing or for publishing in journals that are known to be crap in spite of good quartile, but in others it's not even allowed to do that (you would face an appeal for not following the official scoring scale).

Yeah, that's a good point. I was thinking in the US context, but I also have some experience for the academic evaluation process in Chile, and there were similar issues to what you were describing. The "bean counting" part of it was an issue for academics in CS, because the rules were the same across departments, even where it didn't really make sense. So for example CS profs got no credit (towards promotions) for publishing in conferences, even if they were highly selective ones like ICCV or N(eur)IPS.
Yes, the issue you mention is also typical in many countries with subpar systems. In Spain it used to be exactly the same. Lately, top conferences are getting recognition in some contexts, but there are still some calls where they don't count and it's better to have a crappy journal paper. I mostly publish in conferences but always have to make sure to have enough indexed journal papers per 6-year period to feed the system.