[budro]

I think what the article gets at, but doesn't quite deliver on, is similar to this great take from Casey Muratori [1] about how programming with a learning-based mindset means that AI is inherently not useful to you.

I personally find AI code gen most useful for one-off throwaway code where I have zero intent to learn. I imagine this means that the opposite end of the spectrum where learning is maximized is one where the AI doesn't generate any code for me.

I'm sure there are some people for which the "AI-Driven Engineering" approach would be beneficial, but at least for me I find that replacing those AI coding blocks with just writing the code myself is much more enjoyable, and thus more sustainable to actually delivering something at the end.

[1] https://youtu.be/apREl0KmTdQ?t=4751 (relevant section is about 5 minutes long)

[pietz]

Interesting take.

I think it boils down to personal preference where some people want to use AI while others don't. I also learn when coding with my AI agent. I learn about using the tool more effectively. As someone who has been coding for 10 years, I find more pleasure in AI assisted coding.

But aside from taste, the product and the business don't care about what I like. It's about shipping quality updates more quickly. And while there might be some tension in saying this, I'm convinced that I can do that much more quickly in AI assisted coding.

[dcre]

"learning is maximized is one where the AI doesn't generate any code for me"

Obviously you have to work to learn, but to me this is a bit like saying learning is maximized when you never talk to anyone or ask for help — too strong.

[budro]

I don't think it was that strong of an over-generalization. AI doesn't seem to help out in the same way a human would. My teammates will push back and ask for proof of effort (a PR, some typedefs, a diagram, etc.). And sometimes they'll even know how to solve my problem since they have experience with the codebase.

On the other hand you have AI which, out of the box, seems content to go along with anything and will happily write code for me. And I've never seen it have a single insight on the same level as my teammates. All of which is to say, AI doesn't really feel like something you can properly "ask" something. It's especially far away from that when it's just generating code and nothing else.