[Canada]

What we really need is more IPV6 deployment so normal people can have plenty of routable addresses and we can go back to hosting more things on the edges like we used to, on computers we physically control.

There are plenty of applications where the bandwidth of PON fiber commonly deployed to homes is more than sufficient, and the extra latency is irrelevant.

Sure, it may be susceptible to DDoS attack, but if tens of millions of people were running personal and business systems from home it's debatable this would be less resistant than having a few centralized companies own us all.

[skybrian]

You’re basically asking people to go defenseless under the theory that “they can’t catch all of us,” like a school of fish.

I don’t think that works. Internet attacks can be automated. Businesses need real defenses.

[Canada]

Yeah, I agree with your characterization of what I'm suggesting.

Right now, we are like a school of fish who are already living inside the nets of a handful of hyperscalers who don't have much reason to treat us well.

We might as well take our chances in the open ocean.

With the exception of DDoS attacks we can protect ourselves through continuous improvement of our software and protocols. The sooner we take responsibility for doing that the better off we will be.

And even the DDoS attacks we can mitigate with replication and secret backend links via second ISP/mobile.

[skybrian]

> We might as well take our chances in the open ocean.

Seems like it depends on what vendor you use and what services you're buying from them? It's an assumption that's hard to prove.

[itake]

Running a server from "home" (or an office) I think is too expensive for most businesses. Paying for battery backups, duplicate internet providers, diy NOC, is just too much, especially for small side projects where the goal is publish blogs or write code, not side-hustle SRE

[mystifyingpoi]

What if I told you, that you don't need battery backups, that one ISP is enough, that you don't need 24/7 network team to plug a cable from your tower server to a router, in order to host a mid-size SAAS from the office tower server?

Get real guys.

[reaperducer]

Get real guys.

I had a PHB who didn't like that our web site went offline for 30 seconds each week.

I explained to her that the alternative would require $200,000 and six new employees.

She hasn't brought it up since.

Very few web sites are "mission critical." Even Facebook could go offline for a few seconds a week and nobody would care or notice.

[itake]

It’s not for me, but my paying customers. I guess I could ask them if they are ok if the service goes down when Florida has a hurricane

[Canada]

I'm imagining a future where the software is local first and does a lot of operations peer to peer rather than trying to host large scale centralized web apps that dominate today.

We really don't need huge data centers hosting our notes and discussion forms and spreadsheets in order to make these things collaborative.

It would be A LOT easier to make that work if the internet was end to end by default again.