[godelski]

People have a lot of weird excuses for disliking Mozilla. There are definitely legitimate ones, but the point really is "what's the alternative"? Are the faults of Mozilla really so much worse that we'll turn to Google instead? Honestly, that seems silly to me.

Can we just for once not blindly hate something for not being perfect and consequently strengthening an even worse option?

[pessimizer]

> hate something for not being perfect

Could you, and everybody, stop saying this for any reason about any subject? Go through this thread, pick out all of the people saying that they hate Mozilla for "not being perfect." Argue with them.

> the point really is "what's the alternative"?

Yes, that is the point. If there were an alternative people wouldn't complain, they would just leave. But Google is paying Mozilla (and Apple by the way) massive amounts of money not to compete. Mozilla is just very-ungoogled-chromium. It is not an alternative to google, it is one of the alternatives that google offers. I use it because I don't want to leave the internet altogether. It is a pain in the ass that involves a lot of work to bring it up to 70% of the functionality and UI it had 20 years ago.

[bonoboTP]

> so much worse that we'll turn to Google instead

Did you know that ~85% of Mozilla Corp's revenue comes from Google?

[godelski]

  > Did you know that ~85% of Mozilla Corp's revenue comes from Google?

Actually, yes, I did[0] ;)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45369826

[bonoboTP]

So what remains from your argument? It's been shown that Mozilla Corporation is for-profit, donations to the Mozilla Foundation do not go into the pot that pays for Firefox development, and Mozilla Corporation is 85% funded by Google.

So not independent of Google and not a non-profit.

To be clear: I use Firefox, mainly because uBlock origin is blocked on Chrome.