[underlines]

Reading the title, I thought: finally someone rooted/jailbroke sony cameras.

On Canon you can run Magic Lantern, an extensive mod that adds many features to Canon cameras.

Even Samsung N1 had SD Card loadable mods before they moved away from the camera market.

Rooting sony seems impossible, I never saw someone Working on it Since their Fullframe lineup launched.

[ge0rg]

The last two generations of Samsung NX cameras were built around Tizen Linux, and it was (and still is) easy to get a root shell on them. They still make great photos and you still can buy them used for a good price.

NX300/NX30/NX2000 had a read-only rootfs, but for NX500 and NX1 there was a persistent mod that extended camera functionality with a menu, and you can actually SSH into them and rsync your photos... while shooting!

Background: I've recently taken over maintenance of the NX-KS mod at https://github.com/ge0rg/nx-ks-mod

[dvdkon]

Great to see another Samsung NX hacker in the wild! I'm in the process of developing a mod for my NX300 and NX30 (with the NX2000 likely compatible). It doesn't do anything yet, but I've got a lot of work done on hooking ARM code [0] and compiling modern C++ for the cameras.

Personally I think the NX300/30/2000 are the most hackable cameras ever made, even compared to the NX1/500. The read-only rootfs isn't really a barrier, since the software runs a shell script from the SD card on boot (or rather resume from hibernation, it's a pretty clever system). And unlike the newer models, they don't have an RTOS coprocessor, so everything is handled in the easier-to-modify Linux code. It's not a design decision I would have made, but it makes in-depths mods easier.

The older cameras are also easy to unbrick, since the bootloader files used for firmware flashing without a working OS were released in the FLOSS code dump. The availability of some C headers in that dump is the cherry on top.

I'll admit I'd still rather have an NX500, I just bought the NX300 because I'm cheap :)

[0]: https://gitlab.com/dvdkon/pahil

[ge0rg]

Yeah, I've documented a thing or two about the NX series on https://op-co.de/blog/tags/samsung-nx/

Regarding the RTOS, I took my NX300 from the shelf some weeks ago to make a few shots for the live demo at https://programm.froscon.org/froscon2025/talk/fc37ae17-9264-... and OH MY FSCKING GOD IT'S SLOW! I made a burst shot of a model train approaching, and the camera was busy processing it for multiple minutes. The NX500 is lightning fast in comparison, and the NX1 is even snappier.

So what do you plan to do with the ARM hook? I've poked at different places of di-camera-binary, but never at the processing pipeline, and there are soooo many things to reverse-engineer, and I'm but one person!

[dvdkon]

The possibilities are endless, so I need to make sure not to get lost in them and actually get something done :) I have a shortlist of changes to make, from surface-level to harder things:

- Allow configuring the controls. For example, the multi-purpose "focus" ring is great, but is severely hampered by having to press the "iFn" button every time.

- Add bulk upload of photos to Immich (though that could just as easily be an external script).

- Write custom widgets for the LV view, like a RAW histogram or time display. Also hide the bottom buttons that have already burned into my screen.

- Allow full electronic shutter (I already had to change this camera's shutter once).

- Add highlight metering, or rewrite the autoexposure entirely.

- Support outputting raw video.

- Tone down the denoising on out-of-camera JPEGs.

- Play with custom sensor crops, line skipping and other things to get zoomed in videos.

[underlines]

I had the NX1 with all the premium lenses and some photos still seem to be better than what my Sony A7-M4 shoots. But no 10bit 4:2:2 for video and no real flat profile was a bummer. I loved the persistent mod though. Sold all NX1 gear years ago, moved to a Sony A7-M3 and then A7-M4. Full Frame has some great benefits.

[kuschku]

> Rooting sony seems impossible, I never saw someone Working on it Since their Fullframe lineup launched.

On some cameras, including the older firmwares for the current cameras, https://github.com/ma1co/Sony-PMCA-RE gives you a root shell.

[underlines]

Yes, aware of that, and nothing recent works with it, the last progress sadly was years ago.

I guess DMCA/Sony Lawyers and the relatively low market share for expensive cameras is the main reason why a PlayStation, an iPhone or a Nintendo Jailbreak is more appealing to reverse engineers than a Sony Camera Jailbreak.

[bayindirh]

Actually, half of the problem is vertical integration inside Sony cameras. It's all Sony from sensors to DSPs, and everything is designed and built by them.

The current firmware looks like a embedded Linux system designed for fast boot and is largely immutable, so the thing is pretty tightly secured down. You can put the board to flash mode and update the firmware, but that's all apparently.

Someone over DPReview was taking deltas of the file trees between firmware update packages to guess what has been updated, but going one step further was nigh impossible.

Sony doesn't even bin the DSPs from model to model, but create model-specific ones with different model numbers, and solder DRAM on top of them for latency and signal quality, so the cameras are complete black boxes.

The only missing thing is a complete epoxy pour over the board, but that thing gets hot and needs the case as a heat-sink, so it's not possible at this stage.

[ge0rg]

The other half of the problem is what to gain from a root shell. You can't influence the stages of the image processing without a PhD in Sony DSP Reverse Engineering, and so what remains is probably hooking into the camera controls and injecting key events to re-invent time-lapse timers or bulb exposures, and removing the 30min video recording limit.

This is where the NX mod project arrived - additional hooks into the camera controls and a few changes to internal registers left over by Samsung engineers for debugging, like silent shutter or the 30min limit.

[bayindirh]

Sony's full frame machines are so customizable out of the box already, so you don't need anything to begin with, at least for normal photography needs. Maybe focus stacking, but it's a pure new procedure.

30 minute recording limit is already lifted and advanced time-lapse is introduced alongside mammal eye tracking with a firmware update by Sony, and you can customize anything sans preliminary image processing steps, and by customization I mean the parameters of the algorithms or algorithms themselves.

Moreover, Sony's full-frame systems are already distributed systems to begin with. There are at least two DSPs running asynchronously during focus and image capture, so there may be no pathways to influence the DSPs significantly after they boot up, even.

Personally I wouldn't muck with a system designed to do image processing 30FPS even before taking a photo (A7-III) incl. face and eye tracking and focus correction without any hiccups to this day.

From what I understood, these cameras perform a nigh impossible dance within the limits of their hardware to maximize speed and reduce energy consumption. Who am I to disrespect them for doing that. Instead, I prefer to use the thing and get nice photos out of it.

[anArbitraryOne]

I want to write my own metering algorithms in the pursuit of ETTR instead of using the current garbage leftover from film cameras

[kuschku]

It works on the stock firmware of the FX30, which is relatively recent.