[kennywinker]

I am playing with home automation, and one of the reasons i’m only using zigbee devices is that they have no outside network access. I have two wifi thermostats that I bought before, and one of these days I’m going to have to set up a firewall of some kind to block them from outside access.

[mavamaarten]

I'm sad I went for a WiFi based solution many years back (Tado). They say cloud costs are getting too high and are suddenly super aggressive in limiting API usage. Give me a fully working local API then, you twats.

I haven't found a good local-only or ZigBee based system that allows precise room control that controls the central heater efficiently based on demand. I could get a bunch of ZigBee radiator knobs, but then I'd have to do a lot of programming/automation to get a good system as a whole. I have to say that Tado does that brilliantly (that's why I chose them in the first place)

[Ballas]

The wifi devices are cheaper IME, so I created a IOT VLAN that does not have internet access, nor access to my normal network unless it was initiated from the trusted side.

[kennywinker]

Ikea home automation is all zigbee, and that stuff is dirt cheap. But if you want something ikea doesn’t sell, like wall switches and thermostats, wifi stuff does tend to be a hair cheaper.

A vlan sounds like the way to go to quarantine devices.

[BrandoElFollito]

The problem with WiFi IoT is they are power-hungry. A smart plug is obviously not a problem, but a standalone switch - yes

[euroderf]

A selling point of Matter is that objects can operate without net access. I guess we'll find out whether the spec ensures the guarantees.