[themafia]

> The NYT has formal editorial standards around the identity of anonymous sources that require editors to assess the justification for applying it.

They should also have editorial standards that judge the quality of the information and then decide whether to even print it or not. In this case, without a second source, it probably should /not/ have been printed.

[Uehreka]

That’s exactly what those guidelines say: https://www.nytimes.com/article/why-new-york-times-anonymous...

> What we consider before using anonymous sources:

> How do they know the information?

> What’s their motivation for telling us?

> Have they proved reliable in the past?

> Can we corroborate the information they provide?

> Because using anonymous sources puts great strain on our most valuable asset: our readers’ trust, the reporter and at least one editor is required to know the identity of the source. A senior newsroom editor must also approve the use of the information the source provides.

Is there a particular change you’re proposing?

[themafia]

>> Can we corroborate the information they provide?

I can only guess, but based on the reporting, it looks like they skipped this guideline.

>> Have they proved reliable in the past?

Which is half the battle. The real question is "have they lied to us in the past?"

[PeterStuer]

The change I'd propose is that they actually apply them, and not just to stifle cases that do not fit their narrative.

[enslavedrobot]

How do you know they didn't have multiple confirmations from different anonymous sources? Generally this is the case with high quality journalism (souce: dated a journalist).

[themafia]

Their own words.

"Secret Service officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity"

Their only stated source is "USSS officials" who bafflingly demand "anonymity." I would expect the reporter to tell those /officials/ they need to allow a direct quote or to provide another source; otherwise, their information simply won't be printed.

It's the difference between being a blind mouthpiece and being a reporter.

[enslavedrobot]

There could be multiple USSS officials. Also they don't have to tell you if they verified the story through other channels. In fact this is common practice in my experience (source: pillow talk).

[themafia]

They're USSS officials. Officials being the keyword. That a bunch of people who share meetings and prerogative in the organization are saying the same thing is not an indicator of information quality. In fact, I would take it as a negative signal, and would push _much_ harder to get actual detail or corroboration.

[enslavedrobot]

I agree. Like I say you have no idea who they talked to or verified the story with. Using the words in a story to justify an opinion, but at the same time saying the story is inaccurate is not logically consistent.

No well trained journalist would ever write a story like this without verifying the information in redundant ways. If they didn't do that then they probably already know it's fake and could literally write anything they wanted to support the narrative.

A) Well trained journalists and editors are not stupid. B) If they write something false they already know it's false 99% of the time and are doing it for other reasons.

In light of A + B it makes no sense to rely on what is written in the article to support the idea that it is false or undersourced.