[nl]

> Take the core technology and just optimize, optimize, optimize for 10x the cost/efficiency. As simple as that. Super impressive.

This "just" is incorrect.

The Qwen team invented things like DeepStack https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.04334

(Also I hate this "The Chinese" thing. Do we say "The British" if it came from a DeepMind team in the UK? Or what if there are Chinese born US citizens working in Paris for Mistral?

Give credit to the Qwen team rather than a whole country. China has both great labs and mediocre labs, just like the rest of the world.)

[viraptor]

The naming makes some sense here. It's backed by the very Chinese Alibaba and the government directly as well. It's almost a national project.

[taneq]

The Americans do that all the time. :P

[Mashimo]

> Do we say "The British"

Yes.

[mamami]

Yeah it's just weird Orientalism all over again

[riku_iki]

> Also I hate this "The Chinese" thing

to me it was positive assessment, I adore their craftsmanship and persistence in moving forward for long period of time.

[mrtesthah]

It erases the individuals doing the actual research by viewing Chinese people as a monolith.