[IlikeMadison]

>Now Paris “on the whole” agrees with the draft. France welcomes both mandatory chat control and client-side scanning.

A few months ago, a broad security law was passed by the National Assembly in France. Initially, this law contained provisions, including the scanning of private messages, which were removed from the main text by a large majority of lawmakers, as it was deemed too intrusive.

The few officials (including Macron) who now claim that "France is OK with chat control" represent a minority that currently holds power in a country whose government was ousted less than two weeks ago.

Crooks.

[boltzmann-brain]

> Crooks.

There's a bunch of people organizing against those crooks on the OG Stop Killing Games discord. Just type "stopkillinggames" into Discord's invite box.

One interesting note: The group has even identified a suspected Russian spy network tied to the Russian telco MTS. MTS paid a close to $1B fine for unsavoury business in Uzbekistan [1] and is known to operate GFW and similar tech [2] in Russia, Ukraine, Armenia, Turkmenistan and Belarus [3] for example. The company is trying to get at people's biometrics, by posing as a KYC / Online Safety Act compliance company. [4] They probably do provide the services, but one can imagine where the data is also going.

As a parallel thread mentions, anything related to Chat Control and other Internet control things immediately becomes a target for state actors trying to undermine democracy. [5] In my opinion, it is also often initiated and pushed for by them.

[1] https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-s-mts-to-pay-850-million-to-s...

[2] https://www.techradar.com/news/data-leak-reveals-how-russia-...

[3] https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/mobile-telesystems-o...

[4] (link works after joining said discord) https://discord.com/channels/1281358651470381097/14006009921...

[5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45353056

[hulitu]

> As a parallel thread mentions, anything related to Chat Control and other Internet control things immediately becomes a target for state actors trying to undermine democracy. [5] In my opinion, it is also often initiated and pushed for by them.

War is peace, isn't it ? /s I am not against chat control if they start making public the chats of politicians. I know, it's not gonna happen. National security.

[rgavuliak]

France is all about big government

[homarp]

see also https://tuta.com/blog/france-law-encryption

[aprilfoo]

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_European_Union, "legal acts include regulations, which are automatically enforceable in all member states": any move by national parliaments would be overruled.

Interesting that this national law was pushed by people in an alliance around Macron: the same team which might sign the opposite for the EU. Just a drop in an ocean of nonsense, from where such a dangerous bill might emerge.

[boltzmann-brain]

It's not hard to imagine why. They want to spy on their subjects, and don't want to be told how to do it. Hence spying yes, EU no.

[Jackson__]

Trying to enact such complete and utter surveillance, as the whole country slowly slides into right-wing populism is an idea that is so utterly ridiculous I struggle to find the right words.

It is beyond stupid, beyond malicious. The closest I might come to describing this would be 'suicidal'.