[tptacek]

I actively dislike Zig's memory safety story, but this isn't a real argument until you can start showing real vulnerabilities --- not models --- that exploit the gap in rigor between the two languages. Both Zig and Rust are a step function in safety past C; it is not a given that Rust is that from Zig, or that that next step matters in practice the way the one from C does.

[dadrian]

I like Zig, although the Bun Github tracker is full of segfaults in Zig that are presumably quite exploitable. Unclear what to draw from this, though.

[1]: https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3...

[vanderZwan]

Wasn't Bun the project where the creator once tweeted something along the lines of "if you're not willing to work 50+ hours a week don't bother applying to my team"? Because if so then I'm not surprised and also don't think Zig is really to blame for that.

[dadrian]

Not clear to me there's a correlation between hours worked and number of memory safety vulnerabilities

[blacksmith_tb]

I think the implication is something like "overwork / fraying morale from long hours means shipping more bugs".

[tptacek]

The point of memory-safe languages is to foreclose on a set of particularly nasty bugs, regardless of how frayed engineer morale is.

[vanderZwan]

I'm pretty sure that in an overworked environment the engineers would reach for Rust's unsafe mode pretty quickly because they're too tired to make sense of the borrow checker.

[fuzztester]

>I actively dislike Zig's memory safety story

Why? Interested to know.

Just for background, I have not tried out either Zig or Rust yet, although I have been interestedly reading about both of them for a while now, on HN and other places, and also in videos, and have read some of the overview and docs of both. But I have a long background in C dev earlier. And I have been checking out C-like languages for a while such as Odin, Hare, C3, etc.

[pjmlp]

Modula-2 was already a step function in safety past C, but people did not care because it wasn't given away alongside UNIX.