[Muromec]

>More people would benefit from getting married and having kids - a lot of (Judeo-Christian) religion’s cultural ideas were good even if its empirical claims are wrong.

That's a good way to find yourself with a job you hate by the way.

[rexpop]

Yeah, this guy's Christian cultural ideas include a dependence on misogynistic domestic slavery.

[triceratops]

If having a partner and kids means mandatory "misogynistic domestic slavery" then every human society is irredeemably evil.

[homefree]

Anyone saying “misogynistic domestic slavery” has bought into a much dumber political religion, maybe without even realizing it.

[homefree]

I don’t know why I spend time on HN anymore - it used to be a place to learn things and interact with interesting people. Now it’s just a crappy subreddit. The interesting people mostly fled to private channels (or X) long ago.

With PG’s retarded “Free Palestine” arch, it’s probably best to just leave.

[rexpop]

I worked very hard to interrogate and challenge the foundations of the white-supremacist patriarchal "political religion" (do you not know the word "ideology?") into which I was born.

This transition was deliberate, and conscious. I can't imagine how I could have endured all of the social risks and personal discomfort "without even realizing it."

But, more to the point: have you never heard of The Feminine Mystique? Have you never heard of The Vindication of the Rights of Women? It's an undeniable fact that female spouses have endured centuries of unpaid labor and domestic violence—including legalized rape.

This is a serious issue, and it's not "much dumber" to oppose. Frankly, you have to be pretty stupid to think that we're better off through gendered subjugation.

[triceratops]

I agree that women have gotten a raw deal for much of history and continue to do in many parts of the world but

> female spouses have endured centuries of unpaid labor

Until fairly recently, due to the realities of childbirth and breastfeeding, women had to shoulder that burden. Unpaid is wrong - women received the fruits of their spouse's labor in return for their own work at home. Underpaid labor is more accurate, since women often couldn't inherit or own their spouse's property.

[rexpop]

> women received the fruits of their spouse's labor

With extreme conditions no legal employer could impose, often including rape and certainly bodily mutilation—to say nothing of tight purse strings.

[Muromec]

so the job you hate and a wife that hates you? now that's how you do a boomer humor I guess.

[homefree]

This guy’s entire post is about riding a sad Caltrain to some Palo Alto job and being disappointed his memorization of obscure computer trivia or generic software job didn’t provide meaning in his life.

My point is that marriage and kids provide a deep sense of purpose and fulfillment and a certain kind of narrowing clarity and that ideas of what leads to a fulfilling life are well established in old cultural communities for a reason. He’d no longer be looking for the meaning in obscure trivia - which was never the correct place to find it anyway.

The other bit is a lot of jobs are bullshit (probably most) with enormous amounts of waste building stuff that doesn’t matter. You can fix that by working at Tesla, spacex, etc.