[bibelo]

How ironic is it that by pretending to promote freedom, some people actually do more harm than anything else, by having what is to me a racist view of people in other countries (ie all Iranian are the same and have the same political view as the head).

Do they not understand that, instead of helping these people connect to the outside world and improve their life and their country, they are actually increasing the poor conditions and helping the regimes they are fighting against?

[dijit]

Sanctions don’t apply to Iranians in the US, and not everyone in Iran is Iranian (or even Arab); so sanctions are not “racist”, they’re levied against political leadership.

The idea is to get the population to put pressure on the leaders.

Not sure if it has worked, but I am sure Russia is unhappy with the unrest that sanctions have caused.

[sorushn]

> Sanctions don't apply to Iranians in the US

Sanctions absolutely do apply to Iranians (even dual citizens) anywhere in the world, albeit less intensively.

> not everyone in Iran is Iranian

Swing and a miss. Sanctions are primarily against Iranian nationals, and extend to any non-Iranian who violated the sanctions. If you visit Iran as an American/Chinese/Antractican you don't automatically end up sanctioned.

> The idea is to get the population to put pressure on the leaders

And that makes it okay? Nuking civilians can also be a tactic to pressure the leaders into surrender. And nukes may take fewer lives than decades of intense sanctions.

[tgma]

> Sanctions don’t apply to Iranians in the US

There is some nuance here. While some "sanctions" may not be applicable, the United States has a concept called deemed export, where exposing a non-US Person (~non-citizen with no green card) to technologies in the US, for example during the course of regular employment, can be problematic. Depending on the foreign citizen's nationality, the level of exposure that is deemed problematic can vary. For Iranian citizens, it is basically almost everything unless open-source. This is why all FANGs regularly apply for a deemed export license before commencing employment of foreign individuals with problematic nationalities.

[bibelo]

You're mixing political sanctions and sanctions from private companies and paid-for services.

It's like your local bakery refusing to sell a donut to a random iranian guy.

[dijit]

As a private individual, I am forced to apply the sanctions the country imposes.

A US baker cannot send cakes to Iran.

[bibelo]

Then I should sanction you, so that you put pressure on your gov to stop these sanctions XD ;-)

[tryauuum]

> The idea is to get the population to put pressure on the leaders.

is it true? I thought the idea is "harm enonomy of a country by not doing buisness with them".

[ivan_gammel]

> I am sure Russia is unhappy with the unrest that sanctions have caused.

The political situation in Russia is more stable now than before the war. Putin is certainly happy.

[kennywinker]

If true, that is because Russian oil continues to flow

[ivan_gammel]

No, absolutely not. The significant part of the proceeds from that flow aren’t going into economy (specifics of selling oil to India).

The political situation is stable for following reasons:

1. Primary beneficiaries of military spending are small industrial towns and working class. They earn a lot of money now and significant part of it is invested in property or spent on domestic products. The inequality has reduced since the start of war, not something you would expect from oligarchic capitalism.

2. It became much easier to eliminate political opposition. Thousands have left the country, some were killed, many jailed under new wartime legislation.

3. There’s general perception that Russia is winning and it’s already in the endgame (which is true - the West lost the war in the first year).

[johnisgood]

I think that idea sucks ass because it promotes violence at the very least. What would happen in the US were it to happen to them? I want to see the American population putting pressure on these so-called leaders. Same goes to EU. Same goes to UK.

As for sanctions:

> Iran is not the only example in which sanctions have resulted in unintended consequences. Since 1970, unilateral sanctions imposed by the U.S. have achieved foreign policy goals in just about 13% of cases, according to one study. A recent Congressional Research report evaluating U.S. sanctions in Venezuela found that sanctions “exacerbated an ongoing economic and humanitarian crisis caused by government mismanagement and corruption that has promoted 7.7 million Venezuelans to flee.” U.S. sanctions also exacerbated humanitarian crises in North Korea, reported UNICEF, putting 60,000 vulnerable children at risk of starvation due to limited humanitarian aid.

https://washingtondc.jhu.edu/news/do-sanctions-actually-work...

Please evaluate the historical failure of sanctions. As someone else have mentioned, Putin is happy despite the sanctions, but everyone else is not. These sanctions (from US, EU, etc.) hurt the people, not the people in the Governments. Come on, for the current price of <include basic food that used to be cheap> I used to be able to buy at least 3-5x more BEFORE the sanctions. Talk about sanctions exacerbating economic crisis. They will never learn, I guess, unless intended, but if it is intended, then surely it goes against everything they claim to stand for, as someone else has already elaborated.