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by motorest 264 days ago
I see what you mean, and I am divided on the issue. On one hand, I don't think it's fair to have AI companies to freely scrape the world without fairly compensating content producers. On the other hand, adding more gatekeepers to the web ends up killing it.

This feels like a lose-lose situation.
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switzer 264 days ago
Cloudflare is most active in pushing standards, and highlighting the issue of bots scraping web pages for free. That said, the other major CDNs (e.g. Akamai, Fastly) also have Bot Management functionality, so hopefully this is not a gatekeeping scenario, more of a standards-building scenario.
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swed420 264 days ago
In some positive news today, Cloudflare is sponsoring the Ladybird browser effort:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45332860

That's not nothing.

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AuthAuth 263 days ago
Its a token gesture. Ladybird is not a serious disruption.
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swed420 263 days ago
How could you be so confident about such a thing?

Are you implying it's going to fail in its goal as a competing browser, or that the competition is somehow irrelevant in a world that's forced to be slave to Google/Apple?

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AuthAuth 261 days ago
I'm implying that Ladybird will never grow to the size where it will have any influence on the internet. So this donation is a token gesture to making things better and will be unlikely to change anything.

I dont think Ladybird will ever surpass Firefox and to have any impact it would need to be at least as popular as firefox.

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swed420 260 days ago
If the mere existence of Ladybird is enough to keep Mozilla's behavior in check, then that alone is worth it. It need not have major adoption to be useful in this sense.
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nicce 264 days ago
Likely related on getting influece in order to enforce the gatekeeping standards, unfortunately.
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swed420 264 days ago
Even if you end up being right, which is not outside of the realm of possibility, it's still huge to get a boost on breaking the browser duopoly while ironing out longstanding issues with web standards.
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CrulesAll 264 days ago
That feels like a bog basic false choice fallacy.
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motorest 264 days ago
> That feels like a bog basic false choice fallacy.

Only if you somehow believe you have a choice, or even a say.

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Joel_Mckay 264 days ago
That is a lot of hands... Are you AI generated? lol =3
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FungalRaincloud 264 days ago
Two _is_ more than the average, but not by that much...
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atmosx 264 days ago
> On the other hand, adding more gatekeepers to the web ends up killing it.

LOL, what?

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