[lawgimenez]

So, what exactly is wrong with UK having only 1/3 native brits?

I’m Asian, I don’t get why the West is so concerned. If half of my country are expats immigrating, hell yeah. I don’t see the problem as long as everyone is contributing for the overall community and welfare of the country.

[motbus3]

Where did you get that number from?

[flowerbreeze]

It was in the article, although referring to London, not to the entire country.

[lawgimenez]

> 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits. In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.

From DHH’s linked blog?

[motbus3]

Yeah.. About that ... What is a "native Brit"? A white person? Isn't a 2nd or 3rd generation Londoner from Muslim or catholic background with non white skin a British?

I can't see how it was calculated but if you check government numbers, legal migrants are less than a 1% and illegal are not even close to that.

If you are worried about how much they cost, I'm sure they are less than the war in Russia, or many of the electoral campaigns for sure.

Are you sure this info is unbiased and well curated?

[cap11235]

They are just responding to the post about the quotation. What's your problem?

[lawgimenez]

I’m not worried about anything. I ain’t even sure if DHH is correct in his tone. It’s more like something similar from the book I read about biker gang’s white supremacist.

[graemep]

London, not the UK.

White British plus white Irish make up 82% of the population of the UK. It is slightly complicated because the Irish are a native population in Northern Ireland and and immigrant one in Great Britain and there were slightly different ethnicity options in the census in Scotland to in England etc.

[motbus3]

Even if it was the case, which by merely impression of being there for few days recently, but even if it was, are the folks he referring slaughtering white people? attacking them? Curbing their right for their beliefs? Taking all the jobs deeming a class, race or group segregated?

I don't think so. If anything, i don't think "native Brits" as he called, not wanting to do any of the low-end jobs.

I get why people are frustrated, but it feels like anger's just being used for political gains. There is no easy answers to the current economic problems.

This is exactly the same Brexit maneuver, done by the exact same people trying to rise a political party that has no true solution rather than blame people.

After the EU nothing has improved in the UK. There was no money for the NHS anyway. It is just a political trick IMO

[graemep]

> I get why people are frustrated, but it feels like anger's just being used for political gains. There is no easy answers to the current economic problems.

I have a more cynical cynical variation on that take. its being used to distract attention from the need for real economic (or any other) change. Politicians want business as usual (i.e. the Blair/Cameron "centrist" consensus).

I do not think the EU is relevant to this. They have the same problems.

[motbus3]

You have an interesting take

Whatsoever it is, for sure it will not solve any of the root causes of UK's problems. The lack of structured internal investment with good planning and execution is what has been causing the UK to fall behind Germany.

For me, it seems that the British ate being steered away from important decision processes like "should we really invest in another war?" And "should we increase the number of doctors and care workers that has being stagnated for the past 15 years?" Or even "should UK invest more in telecom communication?"

As many other countries, UK has turned into technology hostage. Luckily, the incredible background created by geniuses of that past still holds up but the lag is already showing.

Nothing would sabe Britain if certain president charged taxes for cloud services, AI or processors and GPUs.

[jajahabav]

> but even if it was, are the folks he referring slaughtering white people

I don’t want to sound like Elon musk (he’s corrupt like the rest), but white people aren’t really reproducing at a rate to keep them going. There’s other ways for a race to die out. You think a majority asian Britain is going to be favorable to whites?

> i don't think "native Brits" as he called, not wanting to do any of the low-end jobs.

Because they’re awful jobs. The elites running the country opted to import cheap, exploitable labor instead of improving the working conditions of their countrymen.

And this is ultimately the problem with immigration. It’s done by an elite that hates their people. The elites profit while the common people suffer.

> It is also a habit of tyrants to prefer the company of aliens to that of citizens at table and in society; citizens, they feel, are enemies

Aristotle said this thousands of years ago. The behavior we’re seeing isn’t new, and the response of “we want people that look like us in power” isn’t anything new either. Race is an extension of family, and a ruler who views the people as an extension of their family will rule much better than one who views the people as cattle.

The ultimate problem is the rich hate the natives and have too much money. They push immigration because it cheapens their bottom line and ensures the people will remain divided. They refuse to use their wealth to better their nation.

> There is no easy answers to the current economic problems

There is an extremely easy answer. The levels of corruption are so astronomical that simply installing rulers who aren’t corrupt would turn things around overnight. Unfortunately, the elites have done a good job conditioning the people to view good elites as “far right racists” simply because they’ll prioritize family over foreigners. And until we can unwind that conditioning, things are going to continue getting worse at a time when we have technological miracles.

[motbus3]

You have good points but there is no way that the costs wouldn't blow the ceilings off if those measures are taken as is.

I do agree that the immigration system is broken. But I do not agree that immigrants are the problem. Simply retroactively applying rules to the folks who are literally accepting to be exploited is not only unfair as immoral, unless you do not consider them people.

I would need to check the gov docs again for the maths, but if this triggers high skilled workers to leave (and only them, not even counting other side effects) it would cause a 2B-4B blast in the economics.

And this do not even consider possible causes of returning the money from pension partially or fully.

[graemep]

> You think a majority asian Britain is going to be favorable to whites

Yes it will be. Most British Asians are culturally British and become more so with each generation.

Secondly, there are multiple different Asian cultures in the UK, so the most substantial common ground different groups of Asians have is our Britishness. The dominant culture is very much British because each minority culture is individually small.

Also, there is a long, long way to go for the 9% of the population who are Asian to become a majority.

> There’s other ways for a race to die out

Races (in that sense) always die out. I cannot see many Angles or Jutes around in England.

> Because they’re awful jobs. The elites running the country opted to import cheap, exploitable labor instead of improving the working conditions of their countrymen.

That much is true.

> Race is an extension of family

That is BS. I can define who is family. How do you define race? Shared culture? I have dealt with that idea already. Genetics? It does not map well to usual categories of race. You can only make sense of this by selecting a few inherited attributes (primarily skin colour) and classifying people by a literally skin deep difference.

[tw_wankette]

>>1/3 native

Natives have rights to their homeland.

[oliwarner]

Do they? More than the property rights of British Londoners to have sold their part of their homeland to someone with enough money? Even foreigners?

We're talking about a small part of the country that's disproportionately expensive that has tried to attract those with money and the side effect of this is natives have chosen to sell up. There might be too much immigration, there might be too much external competition driving house prices up, but I think it's weird to talk about native rights. None of us is truly native here.