[drankl]

To quote the British Prime Minister, the purpose of recognising a Palestinian state comprising both Gaza and the West Bank is to "revive the hope of peace and a two-state solution".

But how can that work in practice when the stated aim of Hamas is to eradicate Israel? It seems that removal of Hamas from power in Gaza would be a prerequisite.

[AlecSchueler]

Hamas isn't Palestine. Hamas is a response to the lack of recognition. Treat the people like humans and the support for violence rapidly decreases.

You see this everywhere again and again. The stated purpose of the IRA was to end British rule in Ireland and bring about a unified Irish Republic. How was it possible for that conflict to end without reunification, why did the support for the violence dissipate? Giving people equal status and the means to better their material position. But as long as the British would have kept the army on the ground shooting protestors? They wouldn't even sit at the table.

[apexalpha]

The Israeli political left agrees with you and as such retreated from Gaza in 2006 to allow Gazans self determination.

They voted in Hamas and started a 19 year long terror campaign against both their neighbours.

Any pointers to prevent such a thing happening but 10x bigger when all of Palestine get self determination?

[AlecSchueler]

Yes, you stop with any idea of "preventing" democratic outcomes you don't like in other countries. As long as you keep that up the only thing you will prevent is a peaceful outcome.

[SilverElfin]

This is exactly what will happen again and is why Israel is moving ahead with gaining more control over the region. Which is all historically Jewish land anyways.

[defrost]

The Philistines were Jewish?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

[SilverElfin]

Jewish people grew out of the Canaanites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan) who occupied the region before the Philistines, who migrated there (Greek origin). There’s a lot of religious and cultural stuff that carried over from Canaanites to Israelites (and later to “modern” Jews).

[defrost]

So neither the Canaanites nor the Philistines were Jewish and Gaza isn't historically Jewish land then?

[password54321]

You are using the name Hamas as a proxy for Palestinian. Everyone can see what you are doing.

[SilverElfin]

It’s a good proxy since the residents of Gaza voted for them and polls - even after October 7 - show they still support them. This is despite their abhorrent fundamentalist genocidal charter and more than a decade of sustained rocket attacks against Israel.

[drankl]

I am not.