[devzx]

Unless the definition of genocide has been changed, even if all the buildings were destroyed that would still not constitute a genocide. My question still stands, why are Israel risking the lives of their young men and women inside Gaza if they are perpetrating a genocide which they have the capability to carry it out in less than a day?

[oncallthrow]

You argued that Israel are not “obliterating” Gaza. I simply pointed out to you that they are, by any reasonable definition.

As it happens, they are also committing a genocide. I suspect you won’t accept that, but I don’t care. History will look back on this and agree with me, not you.

[devzx]

I argued that they are not committing a genocide and by every provable metric they aren't. I asked you a very simple question that you can't or refuse to answer, and I suspect its because if you answer honestly you'll come to the only logical conclusion. I'll also put to you that the only actual genocide that took place during this conflict was on October 7th.

[AlecSchueler]

> by every provable metric they aren't.

Why does the UN say they are? Do you think destroying the entire people in one day would be as easy to pass politically as what they gave done?

[wqaatwt]

October 7th was inconceivably horrible. But if you do not consider the situation in Gaza a genocide (there are rational arguments that can be made to support that) claiming that the massacre that started the whole thing was a genocide doesn’t make much sense at all.

Was September 11 also a “genocide”?

[jakupovic]

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-c...

[drankl]

Historians will probably have a range of opinions on this matter.

[jakupovic]

No they won't.

[tpm]

Of course, holocaust deniers exist too. Some of them do it even for free.

[g-b-r]

The definition of genocide has never changed, but you probably never read it.

[devzx]

Thanks for letting me know the definition hasn't changed and I'm glad you agree with me that there isn't a genocide taking place but a very intense war. P.S My people suffered an actual genocide and it didn't look like what is happening in Gaza. Interesting to note is how the "victims" of this genocide can end it immediately by simply returning the hostages but refuse to.

[wqaatwt]

To be fair there was no risk of real political or diplomatic consequences for nazi Germany regardless of what they did (it’s not like the allies we particularly bothered by it until the war was over..)

The situation Israel is in now is very different due to their economic and military reliance on other countries.

Also I don’t think ordinary Gazans can somehow return the hostages..

The people in the suicidal death cult called Hamas might be able to (probably not at this point though) but they don’t seem to care much more about civilian deaths than than the Israelis..

[basisword]

"Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, UN commission of inquiry says"[1]. I'm going to assume that a man who was president of the international tribunal on Rwanda's genocide has more experience in what defines genocide that you do. It's worth reading if you wish to learn and are open to changing your mind.

>> Interesting to note is how the "victims" of this genocide can end it immediately by simply returning the hostages but refuse to.

How it 'can end' doesn't determine whether or not it is genocide.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go

[FridayoLeary]

It's a war and just because you don't like that doesn't make it a genocide. Your appeal to authority is irrelevant because we're suspicious of the motivation of this commitee and therefore the veracity of their findings.

I find it amazing that you can dismiss one of the primary reasons for the continued state of war as irrelevant.

Hamas will rightly hold this up as a major tactical and strategic victory. It will do nothing at all to help palestinians except the fat cats in the plo and qatar.

[g-b-r]

I'm sorry for your people, but most recognized genocides look very different from every other.

And despite your history you don't seem very knowledgeable of what a genocide is, or willing to listen who actually studied the matter.

Hamas is not the victim of the genocide, but I guess you don't think there's any victim here, given the quotes.

The Israeli government said countless times that having all the hostages back wouldn't end the military operation.

And frankly, if all this abomination would actually succeed in forcing the hands of hamas, it would set a terrible precedent.

Others would have an argument to repeat it everytime someone holds hostage something.

Interesting to note, instead, how the Israeli government could have freed all the hostages for years, had it accepted any of the many offers of hamas.

[tguvot]

What hamas offered: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/hama...

[g-b-r]

Or this, a few days earlier:

https://worldisraelnews.com/hamas-leader-in-gaza-yahya-sinwa...

"We are ready to immediately conclude a prisoner exchange deal that involves releasing all our prisoners held in your prisons in exchange for freeing all captives held by the resistance"

[tguvot]

ah, yeah. "give us back all the convicted murderers and we will continue shooting rockets". sounds like a great deal.

also, those offers ain't mutually exclusive.