[omarqureshi]

This isn't a big deal for the larger tech companies other than a short term pain in the ass.

This is a large net negative for 3 sectors that I can currently think of:

- American (software) tech workers - Healthcare - Research / Postgrad

Medicine and Research are fairly self explanatory, however, why the American software tech worker?

Let's say you're Microsoft, you have large offices all over the world - instead of hiring in the US and making those departments in US offices bigger, you're going to instead hire in probably the following places:

- UK - Australia - South Asia

It means less focus in the US which eventually will just become sales and marketing only with perhaps some smaller department sized tech jobs.

Another great Trump strategy that appears to be helping the poor whites but actually shafts them.

[Aurornis]

> This isn't a big deal for the larger tech companies other than a short term pain in the ass.

A sudden $100,000 per year increase on every H1B salary is a big deal.

[omarqureshi]

$0 is smaller than $100,000

[omarqureshi]

Even better than this actually is a one time relocation cost, you retain the domain knowledge of the employee and send someone elsewhere where they can keep working.

[jacquesm]

I think the focus should be first and foremost on the damage to personal relationships rather than their ability to keep working, even if that will become more important soon after. You can't just drop crap like this on people without warning, this whole governing by proclamation is idiotic.

[omarqureshi]

This is absolutely a mean AF law. This is pure Trump in his element with no depth of thought. However Big Tech does not care about your feelings, there are two realistic options.

To send you back where you came from (severance).

To send you somewhere where you have the ability to keep doing what your doing.

Some may fork out the fee for a year for exceptional staff, thats about it.

Anyway, forget the tech sector. The impact to the health care sector is even worse.

[jacquesm]

Yes, from the US economy's point of view this is a massive own goal. But I'm far more concerned with the people affected than with the US economy or the companies. Having to re-schedule your life on a 48 hour notice is a very hard problem in logistics, finances and various paper tigers. I'd focus on personal safety first and sort out the details bit-by-bit, the one thing I would not do is to try to get back in to the USA in a situation where I would expose my family to ICE and their penchant for cruelty. Anything better than that.

[ericmay]

Can you elaborate more on hiring and immigration in the United Kingdom and Australia with respect to similar skilled visa work?

When you say South Asia could you expand on what specific countries you mean? I think South Asia could mean a few things to a few different people which is why I ask.

> It means less focus in the US which eventually will just become sales and marketing only with perhaps some smaller department sized tech jobs.

As an American I'm curious about this, can you expand on how this will happen or how you think it might happen? If I recall correctly the figure for active H1B visa holders in the United States is under 1 million, so are you asserting that those visa holders all or mostly leave the United States and then the tech jobs that remain will be small in number are most folks working at companies like Google or Microsoft will just be working in sales and marketing? If that's not what you meant to say could you expand?

[omarqureshi]

> Can you elaborate more on hiring and immigration in the United Kingdom and Australia with respect to similar skilled visa work? > When you say South Asia could you expand on what specific countries you mean? I think South Asia could mean a few things to a few different people which is why I ask.

I was in the process of moving one engineer from Dubai to Manchester, probably all in the process is £20,000-£30,000 overall, spread over several years.

South Asia is India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Predominantly this is India and Pakistan though.

> As an American I'm curious about this, can you expand on how this will happen or how you think it might happen?

Best guess, those software engineering departments with predominantly South Asian engineers will cease to exist, they'll buy real estate in London/Sydney which is a much better long term investment because London prices always go up.

Severance is also REALLY easy in the US compared to countries where actual labour laws exist.

Sales and Marketing will stay, they probably need that American presence, they don't need that in software engineering because the Internet exists.

[ericmay]

Thanks for expanding. I thought you were referring to roughly the same locations in South Asia but I wasn't sure. I appreciate it.

I was reading just the other day that some US companies have been spending lavishly on office space in the City of London [1].

[1] No paywall https://www.wsj.com/real-estate/commercial/apple-citadel-and...

[omarqureshi]

Speaking purely from the UK perspective, London is expensive, however, real estate should not be seen as a cost for a large company, it's an investment. Price increases on office real estate on a year-to-year basis just in London is 5-10% per square metre.

For the UK this is amazing news, it also allows for places like Birmingham and Manchester to get a significant boost.

[dfadsadsf]

Let’s be real - nobody is moving R&D to Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. Talent is not there and good luck convincing any expats to move there in meaningful numbers.

India is real but every company is already there and very little real high end R&D is happening there - it’s all mostly basic outsourcing. I doubt H1B situation changes anything here frankly.

[toephu2]

When OP says South Asia they mean India.

[hshdhdhj4444]

Coincidentally American tech workers just accompanied Trump to the UK where they promised to setup massive new offices. Even more coincidentally the UK just concluded a trade deal with India that includes easier work related immigration into the UK…