[amanaplanacanal]

The way voting in the US works, voting 3rd party has the same real effect as not voting at all.

If you want to build a third party, you have to start at the bottom, with local races, and work your way up. You can't do it starting with national races.

[xscott]

I think you have to start lower than that, with the voting system itself. I've seen it argued in several places that "first past the post" leads to only two parties.

[merman]

Yes, I mean in all elections not just for president.

Votes do matter. What if Kamala had gotten no votes at all, would that be the same real effect? Yes and no