[alephnerd]

That's what's steadily happening, and why the pipeline crisis in cybersecurity and other segments of the tech industry is arising in the US.

The US system only worked because the US had the right mix of openness to domestic and foreign capital and talent.

A lot of people on HN and in our industry in the US need to recognize that they are competing in a global market, and need to upskill accordingly.

Just having a CS degree and knowing Leetcode isn't enough, and I'm not going to pay $150k base for an MLE who only knows how to use PyTorch wrappers and basic math, but little-to-no CUDA or Infiniband background, or for a new grad SWE to work on a CNAPP if they don't understand how eBPF and LSMs work.

And no, it is not our responsibility as businesses to incubate that talent if American admins are not helping us (though I shouted myself hoarse about this when I used to be in that space). Everything has become hyper-politicized in the US now, and that is not the kind of environment any business can operate in.

[Tadpole9181]

That's a tangent, I'm not making excuses for American labor. If we can't compete, then we can't compete.

But we will never stay competitive or self-reliant if we destroy our domestic markets by allowing companies to use H1 workers and offshoring to subvert our own labor supply. And it guarantees its demise if all incentives for Americans to even try are removed.

I am not, to be clear, talking about immigration or hoarding knowledge. I am more than happy to support programs to bring the brightest minds over as permanent residence - and their families - or to export knowledge to allied nations so we may all prosper.

[alephnerd]

> But we will never stay competitive or self-reliant if we destroy our domestic markets by allowing companies to use H1 workers and offshoring to subvert our own labor supply. And it guarantees its demise if all incentives for

To solve that the US needs to

1. Offer tax credits and subsidizes comparable to what countries like India and the CEE provide in order to reduce the incentive to offshore

2. With the provided tax credits add a GC and Citizenship quota that isn't onerous but nudges a firm to hire overwhelmingly in the US. A 25% quota is the magic number in my experience.

3. Work with universities to revamp CS education. The philosophy of segregating CS and CE in the US needs to end. The EECS model such as Cal's is a better approach to providing education that is aligned with that used in every other country.

Trump's proposal did nothing to solve the 3 points above which are the primary drivers for offshoring in product-led companies. All the proposal did is give a dollar value to the expected cost of hiring immigrant labor versus shifting abroad - and that dollar amount is the same amount that you would need to spend in the CEE, Israel, or India to avail significant tax windows and subsidizes.

Instead of an office with 50-60% American labor now this move incentivized shifting the entire office to Warsaw or Hyderabad instead of hiring domestically. A new grad with a CS degree from (randomly chosen) Ohio State simply isn't worth a $120k TC or a chronically unemployed (unemployed longer than 6 months) SWE isn't worth hiring as a business. If this administration actually cared to get us to hire those two archetypes, recommendations 1-3 would have solved it.