[ThoroughlyR]

I'm actually in the process of learning Ruby right now. I'm curious though. From the perspective of someone who has hasn't been programming for a long time, would you consider it a good idea to learn Ruby before learning Rails? I'm waiting on my copy of The Well-Grounded Rubyist to arrive so I can get started.

[jlees]

Check out http://tryruby.org/ while you wait. I just ran through it again last night and it's so beautifully crafted I want to weep.

I learnt Ruby kind-of-alongside Rails and wish I'd spent more time focusing on the language itself; I'm going back and deepening my knowledge of it now. But it depends on how your mind works, whether you want to get a Rails project going yesterday, what knowledge you have locked away somewhere, and so on.

[kbeegle]

Absolutely. I'm a non-programmer that had been working on picking up Rails a number of times without a good background in Ruby. Each time I'd run into one issue or another and not have enough knowledge to push past it.

I've put in a bit of time in Ruby and it's opened up Rails (and programming in general) for me more than I thought it would. The biggest advantage, besides just general programming, is reading other people's code and documentation. Recently, I've been exploring i18n (internationalization) in Rails. By going into time_ago_in_words helper, I was led to the distance_of_time_in_words helper and it's source code (https://github.com/rails/rails/blob/bd8a9701c27b4261e9d8dd84...). By understanding enough ruby, the Rails code became a wonderful source of documentation.