[apwell23]

> The new economy increasingly rewards people who build things, like write code, design products, analyze data, and conduct research, rather than those who manage the people who build things.

I've been hearing about this 'creator economy' , 'the great flattening'and all the for a while. Meanwhile managment is stronger than ever at Meta both in numbers and in power.

I don't think "this time will be different"

[lovich]

Feels a lot more like power was concentrated again and the bottom line managers and middle managers are being cast out.

This aligns with corporate history in America going back decades.

Like how many of these people in the “management” class are actually managers in the sense that they are given agency over resources and how they are deployed vs supervisors who are just there to make sure the real manager’s(usually a Director or VP) plan is executed or alerting up the chain if it isn’t?

I had more say as a supervisor in a deli at age 20 when I picked what shifts people got without the need for any sign off than I have ever had in the tech industry with the word “Manager” in my title. You’re ostensibly in charge of raises and promotions but in reality you are only advising on those decisions and your vote only matters as much as your real manager cares about your opinion

[DenisM]

Software projects benefit from growth in interconnected scale. Ability to maintain cohesion is the limiting factor to such growth. The stable state thus is often lacking.

Fast food restaurant chains scale horizontally and scope of each establishment is limited by geography, thus agency can be maintained at the ground level.