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by zwnow 268 days ago
Frameworks are a lot simpler than building with vanilla html, css and js. At least that's my experience... Requires a lot less boilerplate too.

Regarding the noscript alternative solution. I do not know a single modern website relying on users refreshing the page to update content. Except for HN maybe. This approach is very very outdated and will frustrate users.
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zelphirkalt 268 days ago
The refresh page thing is, as I explained, a fallback for users, who don't want to run or cannot run JS. 99% or more of the users will never see this. I personally would be grateful, if web devs took precautions and paid attention to also having a no-JS workflow for things where it is relatively simple to implement. It also has to do with accessibility. A JS-only page, that results in a blank white page has exactly zero accessibility.
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philote 268 days ago
It depends, the frameworks I've seen require a ton of boilerplate (ie. the things tools like create-react-app sets up for you) and have quite a learning curve. Using what you already know is simpler, and some of us know vanilla html, css, and js. It also very much depends on what you're making. Many sites don't necessarily need much interactivity or to constantly receive updated data.
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