[ototot]

Given that ICPC problems are in general easier than IOI problems. I wouldn't be surprise to see they can get Gold (even perfect scores) in ICPC.

Nonetheless, I'm still questioning what's the cost and how long it would take for us to be able to access these models.

Still great work, but it's less useful if the cost is actually higher than hiring someone with the same level.

[JohnKemeny]

What makes you say that they are easier? Are there more people who manages to solve a problem from ICPC than from IOI?

How do you compare those?

There were at least 2 very simple problems in IOI this year.

I haven't read the ICPC problem set, and perhaps there are some low-hanging fruits, but I highly doubt it.

[ototot]

Because I'm a ICPC medalist (not this year though) but not a IOI medalist.

Another evidence is that you only have 5 hours to solve 3 problems in IOI, but you need to solve 10+ problems in ICPC. It's impossible to have all 10+ problems to at IOI level in ICPC.

[tgma]

> Because I'm a ICPC medalist (not this year though) but not a IOI medalist.

Isn't getting a medal a function of your ranking, not score, in both cases? If so, that does not prove much about the difficulty of either.

[ototot]

OK. I think my opinion and definition on "easier" is indeed vague. For "easier", I'm only comparing the thinking difficulty.

Yes, medal is function of ranking but not difficulty.

Nonetheless, I would say that IOI more focus on thinking, which I to some degree is not that good at, while ICPC is more like a mix thinking and implementing. Therefore, my ability to implement stuff can improve my ICPC ranking but not IOI.

[stevesimmons]

As a former ICPC winner, I'd say ICPC is mainly a test of teamwork, given the format of the competition (3 team mates, one computer, scoring that rewards clean solutions submitted quicker, tackled in the optimal order for your three sets of skills, etc).

Sure, you need to be individually good at thinking, etc. But the difference between 1st and places further down the ranking is teamwork.

[tgma]

As a former ICPC participant, albeit not first place (hats off to you), I would generally characterize it as "having a good team," much more so than what's usually considered "teamwork." It is a parallelization/scheduling effort than deep interpersonal collaboration.

(In a certain sense, this is actually the ideal "teamwork" setup in the industry as well, to have a bunch of people who own their part and are trusted by their colleagues take care of it and not step on each other toes than kumbaya let's all get together on the same problem.)

[512]

Are you an ICPC World Finals medalist? Because winning an IOI bronze medal is _way_ easier than even qualifying for the ICPC WF, and less than 10% of the teams at the WF get medals.

I'd go as far as saying that gold at the IOI is probably easier than getting an ICPC medal. (One is individual and the other is in teams, but my point stands).

[ototot]

Yes. I'm a ICPC World Final medalist.

Totally agree that IOI bronze is way easier than ICPC bronze. In terms of rank/ratio, ICPC medals are more like IOI gold.

I stated things like that because I thought it's a bit easier to let people know the difficulty difference. (Agree weirdly though)

[saagarjha]

Did you win the Putnam, though?

[hnfong]

Medals in both contests depend on your relative ranking (and of course depends on the difficulty of qualifying for them).

Doesn't say anything about the difficulty of the questions themselves though.

[tgma]

Not sure by what metric you compare the difficulty, but regardless of the hardness of the problem, IIRC, ICPC requires 100% correctness on test cases to score a problem (even failing one means you don't get the score,) but IOI would admit fractional scores (correct me if I am wrong.)

[ototot]

I compare the difficulty by solving them myself.

For fractional scores, it depends on problems. In short, there are two types of problems in IOI. One is traditional problems that requires 100% correctness, and the other is continuous scoring.

The prior can still results in score between 0 and 100, but this is because there are subtasks in the problem. For example, a graph become a tree or even just a linear sequence. Nonetheless, you still need to ensure your algorithm is correct on all testcases in that subtask in order to get the score of that task.