[mjburgess]

I think at the moment a term like "genocide" is still floating free from the reality of what that term means.

Here's an interview with a senior UNICEF worker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsAo2j6aih0

I think after that I can't imagine the question, "will this impact israel?" makes any sense. They're deliberately perpetrating a genocide. It's real. It's the deliberate and systematic murder of two million people. I dont see the sense in asking: will the murderers care?

[machina_ex_deus]

There's no murder of two million. There's at most, according to Hamas itself, 60,000 dead out of which 10,000 were hamas militants. This is a regular ugly war.

If Israel wanted to kill two million, they could've done it already.

It seemingly doesn't matter how accurate Israel tried to be, they call genocide either way.

[mjburgess]

It's incredibly difficult to kill two million people, the easiest -- if not the only practically possible way -- is with mass starvation.

Here's an interview with a senior UNICEF worker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsAo2j6aih0

You may want to distance yourself from a defense of israel. This is not what you think it is; within a year a very large percentage of gazans will be dead, a very significant majority of all their children. They are starving now with water withheld. You can kill a large number very quickly if you withhold water.

That's where we are. Israel's actions have becoming increasingly genocidal as they have ratched up the "genocidal escalation ladder" with impunity. They had been afraid that someone would step in, but none have.

There's now no way of reversing at least 20% of the population dying, it's really just a question of whether they can finish them off, at least as a peoples with a need and claim to that land. If they can be whittled down to a small fraction of their original population, they can then be ethnically cleansed.

I'd imagine that has been the plan now for at least a year, or at least, most of this one.

[underdeserver]

> within a year a very large percentage of gazans will be dead, a very significant majority of all their children. They are starving now with water withheld.

I appreciate that you're making a prediction. We can check back in a year and see the population levels compared to today.

[machina_ex_deus]

That's bullshit. There's plenty of water in Gaza, as well as food. They get external aid all the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGTMN9mgKcc Plenty of open restaurants in Gaza.

Even according to Hamas only 200 died out of starvation, and that number is disputed as well.

This is all Hamas propaganda that everyone believes.

[mjburgess]

There's an interview with a UNICEF worker on the ground there which you can watch, he even mentions when the restaurants reopened during the cease-fire

[peterashford]

No. The Hamas death toll figures are just the identified dead. They don't include people buried under rubble or who died from secondary effects (health system collapse, starvation, disease). Plenty of sources think the deaths are in the hundreds of thousands.