[const_cast]

There are facts and there are lies.

The fact that innocent people are purposefully being killed in Gaza is just that - a fact.

What you can do is argue that that's okay. What you CAN'T do is argue that that isn't happening.

For example, it is a fact that the US slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You can argue it was justified and the lesser of two evil - people do it all the time. What you CAN'T argue is that hundreds of thousands of innocent people werent slaughtered. They were, it just happened.

I'm sorry, you just have to live with that and live with whatever resulting beliefs you may have.

[dotancohen]

The nuance is in the word "purposefully". Israel is purposefully targeting Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, and other militants. Nobody else is being purposely targeted. But it's a war, so innocents are getting hurt as well. When the Gazans decide that they no longer like the war then they can return the hostages and the war will be over.

If you want to end the war, then pressure Hamas to return the hostages. Don't pressure Israel to bow to terrorist demands.

[arunabha]

> But it's a war, so innocents are getting hurt as well

I'm wondering if you'd apply the same standard on the flip side? Per Hamas, they are engaged in a war with Israel, so by your standard they are justified in their rocket attacks killing Israeli civilians who have nothing to do with the war?

[xyzelement]

I don't think Hamas even tries to claim that it accidentally kills Israeli civilians during military operations. Killing civilians is the stated objective.

There are a LOT of videos from Gaza when Israel notified civilians to leave a building before it destroys it. That seems contrary to the goal of killing civilians.

The other obvious thing is - since Israel is already totally smeared as a genocider (eg this story) it could be argued that it can do whatever it wants and suffer no further PR damage. So to the extent that it still shows restraint - it's either because they don't want to kill civilians or because they are still playing to an audience with a discerning moral compass internationally.