[wongarsu]

The perfect storm of on the one side junior developers who are afraid of writing even trivial code and are glad if there's a package implementing functionality that can be done in a one-liner, and on the other side (often junior) developers who want to prove themselves and think the best way to do that is to publish a successful npm package

[bobthepanda]

The blessing and curse of frontend development is that there basically isn't a barrier to entry given that you can make some basic CSS/JS/HTML and have your browser render it immediately.

There's also the flavor of frontend developer that came from the backend and sneers at actually having to learn frontend because "it's not real development"

[zelphirkalt]

Ha, that's a funny attitude. And here I was thinking, that mostly doing backend work, I rather make the best out of the situation, if I have to do frontend dev, and try to do "real development" by writing trivial things myself, instead of worsening the situation by gluing together mountains of bloat.

[pxc]

> There's also the flavor of frontend developer that came from the backend and sneers at actually having to learn frontend because "it's not real development"

What kind of code does this developer write?

[garbagepatch]

As little code as possible to get the job done without enormous dependencies. Avoiding js and using css and html as much as possible.

[sfn42]

Sounds like the perfect frontend dev to me.

[cluckindan]

The designer, the customer, and US/EU accessibility laws heavily disagree.

[whstl]

The designer already disagrees with accessibility laws. Contrast is near zero.

[zelphirkalt]

The designer might only disagree, if they know a lot about frontend technology, and are not merely clicking together a figma castle.

But the middle management might actually praise the developer, because they "get the job done" with the minimal effort (so "efficient"!).

[Philadelphia]

How is javascript required for accessibility? I wasn’t aware of that.

[bigstrat2003]

As the customer, I think that's the perfect frontend dev. Fuck the JS monstrosities that people build, they are so much harder to use than plain HTML.

[sfn42]

A11y is mostly handled by just using semantic html.

The designer, in my experience, is totally fine with just using a normal select element, they don't demand that I reinvent the drop-down with divs just to put rounded corners on the options.

Nobody cares about that stuff. These are minor details, we can change it later if someone really wants it. As long as we're not just sitting on our hands for lack of work I'm not putting effort into reinventing things the browser has already solved.

[NackerHughes]

The designer wants huge amounts of screen space wasted on unnnecessary padding, massive Fisher-Price rounded corners, and fancy fading and sliding animations that get in the way and slow things down. (Moreover, the designer just happens to want to completely re-design everything a few months later.)

The customer “ooh”s and “aah”s at said fancy animations running on the salesman’s top of the line macbook pro and is lured in, only realising too late that they’ve been bitten in the ass by the enormous amount of bloat that makes it run like a potato on any computer that costs less than four thousand dollars.

And US/EU laws are written by clueless bureaucrats whose most recent experience with technology is not even an electric typewriter.

What’s your point?

[bobthepanda]

In my experience, generally speaking there is a kind of this developer that tries to write a language they’re familiar with, but in Javascript. As the pithy saying goes, it takes a lot of skill to write Java in every language.

[lodovic]

Usually they write only prompts and then accept whatever is generated, ignoring all typing and linting issues

[2muchcoffeeman]

Prompts? React and Angular came out over 10 years ago. The left pad incident happened in 2016.

Let me assure you, devs were skeptical about all this well before AI.

[whstl]

People pushing random throwaway packages is not the issue.

A lot of the culture is built by certain people who make a living out of package maximalism.

More packages == more eyballs == more donations.

They have an agenda that small packages are good and made PRs into popular packages to inject their junk into the supply chain.