[signal11]

> Sadly modern java also tends to come with springboot and people who can't do anything, unless they use springboot

Spring Boot (and Spring generally) is more of a “Java culture” issue — someone on this thread used the term “framework fetishism” and it’s spot on.

Thankfully there are teams, typically in mobile or polyglot microservices environments, who are moving away from this. But yeah — still far too common.

[nunobrito]

Before Spring it was JBoss. Awfully slow and bloated frameworks which then become mandatory in enterprises. In the end they all go back to POJO when things really need to work.