[mpweiher]

My comment is exactly correct.

EDF gets subsidies from the state for their renewables projects.

EDF pays nuclear profits to the state. And to the rest of French industry via the ARENH program.

Facts.

That private money going into renewables is great at getting guaranteed state subsidies.

It's the best business model ever.

[seec]

I'm with you. They are very resistant to facts because of the blind spots their ideology put them in. On top of that they can only think in terms of profit, because greed is the normalized behavior imposed by the US exploitative mindset. They don't understand the difference between value and price/cost which puts them in a worldview where you can only do thing is they make money, which is crass and primitive.

I think there are also a lot of shiny new toy syndrome where they are unable to understand the limitations of the new technology because they are inherently believers, not unlike the religious freaks.

In any case if any of what they say was true, China wouldn't build a single nuclear reactor, it would not make sense. Yet this is not at all the case.

Renewables have to be built; they make a lot of sense for the low hanging fruit (even if it's just to spend less fuel on the good days). But arguing to rely only on them is just wishful thinking and just plain dumb.

Even if it becomes technologically feasible at an acceptable price, putting all eggs in the same basket is not a good strategy. No matter how big (overbuilding) you make the basket.

The good thing is that reality is catching up with the ideologues and they are losing a lot of political power along the way. The utter failure of German policy is a good lesson on arrogance and ideology.

[natmaka]

> It's the best business model ever

In France the Cour of Audit concluded that electricity produced by the EPR must be sold at 138€/MWh (2023 value) in order to obtain a tiny ROI (4%). This is a financial disaster. Proof page 29: https://www.ccomptes.fr/fr/publications/la-filiere-epr-une-d...

Renewables, on the other hand... While many reactors were down in France (intermittency, anyone?) they did cope: https://www.iea.org/reports/renewable-energy-market-update-j...

Renewables: a modest gain... 7 billions €! Source: official Commission in charge in France, page 4 https://www.cre.fr/fileadmin/Documents/Deliberations/2024/24...

[mpweiher]

Once again: EDF receives subsidies for their renewables projects.

[natmaka]

I just sourced official reports, and for EDF I already answered (in French, sorry, if necessary a software translator does the job): https://sites.google.com/view/electricitedefrance/accueil#h....

[ViewTrick1002]

I love this. Just pretend that no new nuclear power needs to ever be built and it is economical based on the current economics of soon half a century old paid off plants.

Since the EPR2 program is in absolute shambles and the subsidy scheme hasn’t been finalized just pretend that it doesn’t exist!

They are only talking about CFDs, zero interest loans and credit guarantees! Those doesn’t cost money! Not until they start being paid out! Therefore does new built nuclear power does not need any subsidies. QED.

Or the French were talking about it. Until the government collapsed due to being underwater in debt with a spending problem they are unable to reign in.

We all know the one way to solve a spending problem is an unfathomably large handout to the dead-end nuclear industry!

Please. This is getting laughable. Facts be damned, just ignore reality and with a scalpel cherry pick a few disjointed facts.