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by ViewTrick1002 278 days ago
Let’s begin with concluding that you could not find a source for your claims. Instead you go on a tangent hoping to muddy the water.

I find it interesting how someone so smart can just lie through their teeth.

Now you’re trying to paint the entire renewable industry, solar, storage, onshore wind etc. with the paint brush of off-shore wind.

The German and Danish auctions were negative bid auctions.

To explain what that means: companies were asked to pay for the privilege to build off shore wind at a set very low CFD. Those delicious subsidies right?!? Might even call them negative subsidies!

Given recent interest rate hikes and increased cost for construction materials off shore wind is right on the cusp of viability.

Other projects like this one in Germany moves forward without any subsidies.

https://group.vattenfall.com/press-and-media/pressreleases/2...

What you of course don’t mention is that the recent interest rate hikes and increases in construction costs impacts nuclear power far more than off-shore wind and other renewables.

So someone actually knowledgeable in the topic would not promote nuclear power as the alternative.

So again. Please stop lying and misrepresenting cherry picked stats. You know better.

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> Let’s begin with concluding that you could not find a source for your claims.

The source is the report by the French Cour des Comptes. I am not your research assistant.

> I find it interesting how someone so smart can just lie through their teeth.

I find it interesting that you have no arguments left and have to resort to ad-hominem attacks.

And thank you for confirming my point:

>off shore wind is right on the cusp of viability.

Meaning the very best off-shore wind projects may or may not be profitable. We don't know yet.

Whereas the worst French nuclear project in recent history (FV3) is predicted by the Cour des Comptes to have "modest" profitability in the worst case scenarios.

So once again: worst nuclear >> best intermittent renewable.

QED.

The report with a discount rate lower than the inflation and a 40 year pay back time.

For anyone even having a slight economic understanding the writers of that report are shouting from the top of their lungs that investing in nuclear power is pure lunacy.

But shrouded in a language allowing lobbyists and blindingly biased people to cite it.

Any understanding of economy and shilling for nuclear power seems to be a very disjoint set given what we are seeing in this thread.

"Interesting" unsubstantiated opinions.

And counterfactual, as nuclear is immensely profitable and the world is investing in nuclear.

Here’s the source Cour des Comptes report validating that you are incorrect.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45243337

The world also very much is not investing in nuclear power given how it is backsliding as a % of the global energy mix with a huge number of closures looming in the close future with no replacements in sight.

Given this answer I don’t know if you are either trolling or have serious problems with delusions.

I dislike drawing conclusions so I will end this conversion with a question:

If you are not trolling, have you tried seeking help from the mental healthcare system?

Sorry, you are still incorrect.

Nuclear had a record production year in 2024, despite the German exit.

2025 is predicted to be another record year.

There are currently 60+ reactors under construction, 90+ in preparation and 170+ announced/in planning.

The future is nuclear.

Please. Do tell me where I am incorrect. You just keep making unsubstantiated claims about me being "incorrect" and when we go to the sources they contradict you.

Or you are explicitly going on tangents attempting to muddy the water. Nuclear power having a record year in 2025 and me claiming:

> The world also very much is not investing in nuclear power given how it is backsliding as a % of the global energy mix with a huge number of closures looming in the close future with no replacements in sight.

Are both correct statements. I even acknowledge that we have a lot of existing infrastructure while commmenting on the trend line.

That 60+ reactors number also includes several abandoned projects. In 2024 the world managed to complete 6 reactors. So far the number in 2025 is a 1 reactor.

Of course ignoring that this is a debate focused on the west with western construction costs. In which the nuclear construction rate far under the replacement rate.

But you can't deal with reality. When it came to the future you went straight into hypotheticals not backed by firm deals hoping no one noticed.

This is not a sane behaviour, nor commenting in good faith.

Nuclear projects are easy to announce. Maybe we can ask these reactors how it went getting a final investment decision:

France:

EPR2 project, do I need to say more? Stuck in financial limbo due to the insanely large subsidies needed to get it off the ground with a government that just collapsed due to being underwater in debt while having a spending problem and being unable to reign it in.

UK:

- Sizewell C - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sizewell_nuclear_power_stati...)

- Wylfa-Newydd - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wylfa_Newydd_nuclear_power_sta...

- Oldbury B - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldbury_nuclear_power_station#...

- Bradwell B - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradwell_B_nuclear_power_stati...

- Moorside - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorside_nuclear_power_station

US:

- Bellefonte - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellefonte_Nuclear_Plant#Units...

- Bell bend - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Bend_Nuclear_Power_Plant

- Callaway - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callaway_Nuclear_Generating_St...

- Calvert Cliffs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvert_Cliffs_Nuclear_Power_P...

- Comance Peak - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche_Peak_Nuclear_Power_Pl...

- Galena - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena_Nuclear_Power_Plant

- Grand Gulf - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Gulf_Nuclear_Station#Uni...

- Levy County - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levy_County_Nuclear_Power_Plan...

- Nine Mile Point - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Mile_Point_Nuclear_Genera...

- River Bend - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Bend_Nuclear_Generating_...

- Shearon Harris - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shearon_Harris_Nuclear_Power_P...

- South Texas - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Texas_Nuclear_Generating...

- Victoria County - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_County_Station

- Virgil C. Summer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_C._Summer_Nuclear_Gener...

China:

Keeps announcing reactors without starting to build them. China also recently revamped the financing side removing the previous CFD are instead forcing the reactors to compete on market terms which is slowing down investment.

China averages ~4-5 construction starts per year which cumulatively leads to nuclear power shrinking as a part of the electricity mix.