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What a ridiculous take.

> Hong Kong is annexed

Hong Kong was taken over by the British after the opium wars. It never belonged to the British in the first place.

> As opposed to China, who will probably invade pretty much every Asian country, and the only big unknown is the order.

As opposed to the various US government who have overthrown countless foreign governments when those failed to align themselves with the US interests.

The US has destabilized the entire middle east and created an unprecedented wave of refuges coming from Libya and other neighboring countries and left Europe alone to deal with it.

The US has in the last 30 years invaded multiple countries under false pretenses, taken them over and when nothing worked and the writing was on the wall, left in a hurry again leaving someone else to clean up the mess left behind.

> The South China sea (including Philippines, Japanese, Taiwanese territory) is under Chinese control. And the countries' only hope for maintaining independence is the US.

The US is only helping to contain China in this part of the world because it is in its best interest to do so. The day this changes, the US will leave and these countries will have to fend for themselves once again.

This is certainly not done out of the goodness of the heart of the US. It's about protecting trades routes that are vital to US interest and that is about it.

> Accepting Chinese currency is like France buying Nazi bonds in 1939 (which France and most European countries did, btw). It seems like, in fact it is, the height of stupidity, but it's amazing what a little bit of promised money can make people do.

Since you are mentioning WW2, let's not forget that the US was happy to let much of Europe fall into the hands of the Germans and let Japan continue expanding it's empire until the point where Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. Who knows what would have happened if the US was never attacked?

My point is this one, China, just like the US likes to increase/maintain it's influence in the world. Both countries used/ will use any means necessary to achieve their goals whether its through warfare or diplomacy.

Is China better than the US, probably not, but let's not pretend one second that the US is not using a double standard when it comes to the world order. Rules for thee not for me and all that.

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> Hong Kong was taken over by the British after the opium wars. It never belonged to the British in the first place.

Isn't almost every country a result of "X took over Y during _ war?" and we recognize those borders everywhere?

[rdm_blackhole]

No, otherwise the whole decolonization would never have happened.

Same with the war in Ukraine, even if Russia managed to conquer all of it, would the world recognize that Ukraine belongs to Russia? I don't think so.

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Decolonization in most cases required the colonial power to give independence back to each country.

It wasn’t that a bunch of countries magically started to recognize India as an independent nation and everyone just went along, right?

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The India that gained independence is India + Pakistan + Bangladesh + some rounding errors.

The independence of India was immediately followed by a sectarian war between muslims and hindus in India (started by muslims) which by a number of measures was bigger than WW2. Gandhi immediately turned into the commander-in-chief in this war, a war where millions died, and Gandhi came out on top.

After which Pakistan, now independent, started another war with yet again millions of dead, against "East-Pakistan", to prevent their independence, now known as Bangladesh. This war was a continuation of the partition wars in many ways.

Pakistan is not far from starting another of these wars, by the way, against "Balochistan", the south west of Pakistan.