[inferiorhuman]

  But his take on San Francisco transit is just like really bad. Pokey
  streetcars and buses, doomed to fail. You build out there in those blue
  areas, and they are mostly all driving.

One of the best parts about where I lived in San Francisco was that I was around the corner from a streetcar stop. Pre-pandemic the streetcar was absolutely packed during commute hours because people absolutely do take advantage of "pokey streetcars and buses".

  My take is you build it, and THEN they come. Put in some GOOD transit.

What is GOOD transit? The Bay Area's spent a fortune building out BART (yuck) and every extension has only succeeded in siphoning money away from other transit.

[flomo]

Yep, me (and my politician Weiner) have some great public transit, so that's certainly true of some places.

Those folks that he is up-zoning out in the avenues, they are driving. Different culture out there. Downvote reality to the left.

GOOD transit it obvious, and it certainly is not a gigantic tunnel deep under downtown San Jose which is 400% over budget. Do not claim there is a lack of money for any of this. The political machine is just totally malfunctional.

[inferiorhuman]

  Those folks that he is up-zoning out in the avenues, they are
  driving. Different culture out there. Downvote reality to the left.

To be clear I was out in the avenues.

[flomo]

Just curious exactly what neighborhood and how long did you live there? (duboce triangle, a long time)

I know a bunch of people who live/d out there, they take muni downtown but mostly have a car. Perhaps you could regal in tales of your car-free lifestyle in the Sunset, but i'm not seeing it. Weiner wants condos out there and he does not give a shit about your bus ride.

[inferiorhuman]

  he does not give a shit about your bus ride.

As I pointed out earlier streetcar, not a bus ride.

  but i'm not seeing it

Look harder.

Pre-pandemic the L and N were the two busiest rail routes (and the busiest lines systemwide) even considering they share most of the underground portion with four other lines. Somewhere around 75,000 daily trips.

[flomo]

Yeah, I know, I take the N, it goes downtown, everywhere else you need a bus (or practically, a car). Sorry if that was confusing.

[smugma]

e-bikes seem to have been invented for SF. They solve the hill problem and long lines at school drop offs. I see their growth continuing to reduce car needs in SF.

Sadly, I say this as someone who lives in Duboce Triangle and owns two cars.