[bongodongobob]

Our current regime lies through their teeth daily. Like obvious, completely made up lies. Every. Day. It's not a misunderstanding. One side is pushing for authoritarianism, one is not. One can be negotiated with by voting, the other, violence. I'm so fuckin tired of pretending there is just some kind of misunderstanding between both "sides".

[idle_zealot]

No, the video makes the point that it's not really a misunderstanding, there are fundamentally different values in tension. If you believe in and value hierarchy then authoritarianism is natural and desirable, the lies are just for assuaging your less committed or more sensitive allies and befuddling your enemies.

[vintermann]

But people do not value hierarchy for its own sake. They value hierarchy when they're on top of it, or at least in the top half. There are not actually fundamentally different values, but different interests.

[Terr_]

It's a mistake to assume that it's just about advantage or greed.

People even relatively far down may believe The Hierarchy offers predictability and stability—even if I think their belief is incorrect.

Authoritarians tend to be fearful, and it offers a partial answer to those fears.

[DeathArrow]

>One can be negotiated with by voting, the other, violence.

Violence like shooting political opponents for voicing their opinions?

[immibis]

Proof by counterexample: I think it would have been a good decision to shoot Adolf Hitler for his opinions, don't you?

[esafak]

Simpler example: WWII happened, causing more than Hitler to be killed. Wars are political acts.

[immibis]

Sure would have been good if someone had killed Hitler before he started the war.

[esafak]

I would have made a donation to his art school in return for admitting him and keeping him busy.