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by acoustics 276 days ago
I haven't been following this conflict: have the terms of the GPL been broken?
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By WPE - I don't think anyone has even claimed that informally - since they don't distribute software and WordPress is GPL not AGPL it would be hard to. Moreover they (according to themselves) use an unmodified version of WordPress which would make it next to impossible. Of course according to Matt they use “something that they’ve chopped up, hacked, butchered to look like WordPress” but “is not WordPress.” And is a “cheap knock off” or a “bastardized simulacra of WordPress’s GPL code.” [1] but there's still no claim that they distribute that simulacra.

By Matt - no one has claimed it formally but I think there's at least a plausible claim that he has violated part 6 with his attempts at extortion, which requires "You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein". Especially clearly as it pertains to any existing nominative use's of the WordPress trademarks within the unmodified WordPress code (which trademark law in no way prohibits WPE from using, and Matt demanded were changed).

[1] Taken from the complaint https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.43...

ps wordpress dot com is the most bastardized simulacra of wordpress in existence
It was pretty different in a way that brought millions of people into WordPress, but it has evolved in a way that makes a lot of sense to people, clarifying what WordPress is, what the host is, and what the application layers on top of it are. And the new AI / Telex / Studio stuff is super cool.
Why do you have to pay for using plugins on wp dot com, which are free everywhere else in wordpress, Matt?
Everywhere else where you have to pay for hosting, you mean?

On WordPress.com, you can pay for hosting plans, some of which give access to plugins and themes, but you also have free hosting without.

Elsewhere, you pay for hosting; there's generally no free option. Then you get plugins and themes included with that.

In the end, to use WordPress with plugins and themes, you pay some amount to the company that hosts it for you.

Disclaimer: I work for Automattic, but the opinions here are my own.

Please see my response to Matt's sibling comment. If this is truly your own opinion, and you can't see that it is just laughably wrong, then you're definitely working in the right place!
Please tell me where you can run arbitrary PHP code in the cloud for free, I'm curious to see how they manage that and what limits they put before they start charging.

We've invested a ton in products like WordPress Studio, which let you run unlimited local copies of WordPress with however many plugins, themes, etc you want.

I'm talking about how from something like 2005-2017, you couldn't install plugins at all.

Then from 2017 until apparently the last couple months, you had to upgrade past the Free, Personal and Premium plans to the $25/mo Business plan in order to install plugins.

Now it looks like its just your free tier can't do it - I suppose that's fine. 20 years of providing a bastardized simulacra of wordpress was long enough!

All other hosts have always provided full-fledged wordpress with plugin installation with all plans

But, of course you knew all of that and were just trying to misdirect people, yet again. I now fully expect some half-truth pedantic response about a technicality about dates, plan names, or a niche host who also provides a simulacra.

You can run arbitrary PHP code for free in Oracle's free tier.

https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/