[DaSHacka]

This, I cannot believe how all the most pro-workers rights people I know also support "open borders"-like philosophies.

What do you think is going to happen to your bargaining power as an employee when your employer has an infinite workforce to draw from?

[Seattle3503]

> What do you think is going to happen to your bargaining power as an employee when your employer has an infinite workforce to draw from?

To assumption that there is a finite amount of work in the economy is called "lump of labour fallacy" in economics. It's not useful to ask "What if X were infinite and we held everything else constant?"

[tekknik]

this relates to the economy as a whole, individual industries expand and contract their demand and given the advent of AI we’re in a contraction moment. I vote until the economy stabilizes we terminate H1Bs

[Spivak]

Well yeah, because when you have a much larger working population you have to actually establish rights at the government level or with unions rather than relying on your individual bargaining power.

The two philosophies are not only not incompatible but are necessary to maintain our standard of living. Closed borders, protectionism, and relying on individual bargaining power is another path to a similar end so long as you can keep the US on top.

[almostgotcaught]

> This, I cannot believe how all the most pro-workers rights people I know also support "open borders"-like philosophies.

You ever consider that it's because those people are pro-workers everywhere and not just workers nearby? So yes enabling foreign workers to improve their lives by coming here makes perfect sense.

> What do you think is going to happen to your bargaining power as an employee when your employer has an infinite workforce to draw from?

I mean that's like saying "what do you think is gonna happen to your rights once all the slaves are free". The answer hinges on whether we continue to operate under the government that's comfortable with exploiting its citizens.

[tekknik]

> You ever consider that it's because those people are pro-workers everywhere and not just workers nearby? So yes enabling foreign workers to improve their lives by coming here makes perfect sense.

so then by doing this they hurt the worker here in favor of a worker in some other country?

> I mean that's like saying "what do you think is gonna happen to your rights once all the slaves are free".

when the word slave wasn’t mention at all by the parent, how did you conclude anything about slavery?